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To: WhiskeyX
Kruschev did not “give” the Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR, but he did transfer the Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR

A distinction without a difference.

Kruschev was a Russian and not a Ukrainian.

He was born 3 k from Ukraine, and Ukraine was his adopted country. He was an ethnic Russian from a town that is now part of Russia, but he rose through the ranks of the Ukrainian communist party and led Ukraine as head of the the Communist party.

So, by your reasoning possession of the Crimea, a Tatar name by the way, should revert to Turkey under the still operative treaty the Ottoman Empire the right to reclaim the Crimea from Russia under the current circumstances.

So by you reasoning we should give Texas back to Mexico, or Spain and give Alaska back to Russia. I stated a fact, something you seem unable to grasp.

103 posted on 03/21/2014 10:58:14 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive
“A distinction without a difference.”

That is a false statement as well. You told readers the Crimea was given to the Ukraine, which implies what was given can be reclaimed without an exchange of goods, services, or rights of more or less equal value. As I pointed out to you the Crimea was exchanged as a form of reparations by Russia for the goods, services, and rights taken by armed force and genocide from the people of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. This is what is known as a quid pro quo, which is the exact opposite of a gift being given without compensatory consideration. Russia has now used military force to invade, seize, conquer, and annex the territories of the Ukraine without any compensatory consideration and in breach of international legal agreements not to do so in exchange for the Ukraine's former Soviet nuclear arsenal. Now that is a distinction with a difference larger than all of the nuclear weapons of Britain, France, and China combined as well as the millions of Ukrainians killed by the Russians in the Holomodor.

“He was born 3 k from Ukraine, and Ukraine was his adopted country. He was an ethnic Russian from a town that is now part of Russia, but he rose through the ranks of the Ukrainian communist party and led Ukraine as head of the the Communist party.”

That is about like saying William the Conqueror was a Saxon and not a Norman, which is of course just more absurd disinformation and lies when you try to misrepresent Nikita Kruschev as a Ukrainian who did something wrong to the poor disadvantaged Russians who are invading the Ukraine.

“So by you reasoning we should give Texas back to Mexico, or Spain and give Alaska back to Russia.”

Now you are making further false statements calculated to deceive the readers. You falsely say the reasoning implies “the United States should give Texas back to Mexico, or Spain”, which is a false comparison and a false conclusion.

The Crimea had an opportunity to vote in a referendum to remain with the Ukraine or with Russia when the two former Soviet Socialist Republics agreed to separate into independent nations within the CIS commonwealth. The majority of the voters in the Crimea voted to go with the Ukraine and not with Russia.

By comparison, Texas was one of many Mexican states who remained loyal to the federal government of Mexico and its popular Constitution of 1824 when a cabal of rebel military officers and conservadores overthrew the constitutional government in a coup. The rebel Mexican government instituted a civil war against the loyalist Mexican states, which included Texas. The rebel Mexican government succeeded in conquering, looting, raping, and murdering Loyalist and other Mexican citizens in all but three of the loyalist Mexican states; and they had no alternative for survival but to declare themselves independent of the unlawful rebel government as the Republic of the Rio Grande, the Republic of Yucatán, and the Republic of Texas. The Republic of Texas then succeeded in defeating the rebel Mexican Army and negotiated an agreement for the Mexican terms of surrender and terms of peace, in which the head of the rebel Government of Mexico granted independence to the Republic of Texas. Upon being given clemency for his war crimes and repatriated to Mexico in accordance with the terms of the surrender and Texan Independence, Santa Ana and the rebel Government of Mexico dishonorably repudiated their solemn agreements and threatened further war upon the independent Republic of Texas and other former states of Mexico. The Mexican state of Coahuila-Texas voted to remain a state of Mexico, until the rebel Mexican government refused to recognize the 1824 Constitution and right of life and property of the citizens of the loyal Mexican states, whereupon their declaration of independence from the rebel Mexican government became the only remaining opportunity for survival. Foreign armies did not invade Mexico and force these Mexican states to declare their independence from Mexico and become three independent republics the way in which Russia's foreign armed forces did force the Crimea to declare its independence from the Ukraine while under foreign military conquest and occupation.

You falsely say the reasoning implies “the United States should “give Alaska back to Russia”, which is a false comparison and a false conclusion.

Russia voluntarily sold Alaska to the United States. The Soviet Federative Socialist Republic and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic voluntarily elected to dissolve the Soviet Union in 1991, and the voters of the Crimea voluntarily voted in the majority to remain politically associated with the Ukraine instead of Russia. The Crimea has now been involuntarily invaded and annexed to Russia in breach of Russia's compensated agreements to not do so.

“I stated a fact, something you seem unable to grasp.”

No, you stated a fiction instead a fact in an effort to propagate Russian disinformation and disaffection.

112 posted on 03/24/2014 2:28:30 AM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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