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To: Paul R.
That said, then there are the cases where the economy of the country(s) are not sufficient to foot the bill. I’d have to research and do some math, but while “doing ok” now, I don’t think the Baltic countries you add up have remotely near the GDP of Singapore, or even Finland. Estonia in particular seems to be on the right track with their economy, but their economy is tiny: GDP (est.) was $28.44 billion in 2012 (PPP). By comparison, Singapore’s GDP in 2011 was (est.) $318.9 billion (PPP), and the country is flat out dripping with wealth, infrastructure, you name it. The Soviets left Estonia a wreck, while Singapore was already booming at that time. So the comparison is hardly fair.

I've been following defense policy for a while. In 1988, Singapore's GDP was $54.625b in 2010 dollars. Its defense spending was 4.8% of GDP. Combined, the Baltic states had a GDP of $80.321b in 2010. They spent 1.2% of GDP on defense. Here's the historical data from SIPRI:

Military expenditure by country, in constant (2010) US$ m., 1988-2011
  Budget Budget GDP GDP % of GDP % of GDP
Country 1988 2010 1988 2010 1988 2010
Afghanistan . . 576   15158 . . 3.8
Albania . . 190   11875 5.6 1.6
Algeria 672 5671 39529 157528 1.7 3.6
Angola . . 3501   83357 . . 4.2
Argentina 4397 3476 219850 386222 2.0 0.9
Armenia xxx 395   9405 xxx 4.2
Australia 13228 23221 629905 1222158 2.1 1.9
Austria 3285 3513 252692 390333 1.3 0.9
Azerbaijan xxx 1476   50897 xxx 2.9
Bahrain 243 776 4860 22824 5.0 3.4
Bangladesh 456 1298 45600 118000 1.0 1.1
Belarus xxx 768   54857 xxx 1.4
Belgium 7939 5233 305346 475727 2.6 1.1
Belize 4.9 15.3 490 1391 1.0 1.1
Benin 68.9 . . 2996   2.3 . .
Bolivia . . 328   19294 . . 1.7
Bosnia-Herzegovina xxx 220   18333 xxx 1.2
Botswana 193 352 3939 14667 4.9 2.4
Brazil 19902 34384 947714 2149000 2.1 1.6
Brunei 349 391 5288 12219 6.6 3.2
Bulgaria . . 894   47053 . . 1.9
Burkina Faso 57.0 124 3000 9538 1.9 1.3
Burundi 44.5 . . 1435   3.1 . .
Cambodia 65.7 175 5054 10938 1.3 1.6
Cameroon 197 354 15154 22125 1.3 1.6
Canada 19339 23109 966950 1540600 2.0 1.5
Cape Verde 10.6 8.3 558 1660 1.9 0.5
Central African Rep. . . 51.6   1985 . . 2.6
Chad . . 226   8370 . . 2.7
Chile 2913 6579 58260 205594 5.0 3.2
China, P. R. . . 121064   5764952 . . 2.1
Colombia 2177 10422 145133 289500 1.5 3.6
Congo . . 134   12182 . . 1.1
Congo, Dem. Rep. . . 184   14154 . . 1.3
Costa Rica 0 0     0.0 0.0
Côte d’Ivoire 185 388 15417 24250 1.2 1.6
Croatia xxx 1016   59765 xxx 1.7
Cuba . . . .     . . . .
Cyprus 525 478 9211 22762 5.7 2.1
Czech Rep. xxx 2498   192154 xxx 1.3
Czechoslovakia 7678 xxx     . . xxx
Denmark 4519 4504 215190 300267 2.1 1.5
Djibouti 70.0 . . 1000   7.0 . .
Dominican Rep. 141 359 15667 51286 0.9 0.7
Ecuador 420 2094 21000 58167 2.0 3.6
Egypt 5246 4289 80708 214450 6.5 2.0
El Salvador 552 224 7169 20364 7.7 1.1
Equatorial Guinea . . . .     . . . .
Eritrea xxx . .     xxx . .
Estonia xxx 330   19412 xxx 1.7
Ethiopia 563 298 6951 33111 8.1 0.9
Fiji 43.3 50.6 1968 3163 2.2 1.6
Finland 2515 3400 157188 242857 1.6 1.4
France 65266 59098 1812944 2569478 3.6 2.3
Gabon . . 125   13889 . . 0.9
Gambia 1.9 . . 211   0.9 . .
Georgia xxx 454   11641 xxx 3.9
German DR 10804 xxx     . . xxx
Germany 63629 45075 2194103 3219643 2.9 1.4
Ghana 25.6 125 8533 31250 0.3 0.4
Greece 6968 7162 165905 311391 4.2 2.3
Guatemala 349 170   42500   0.4
Guinea . . . .     . . . .
Guinea-Bissau . . . .     . . . .
Guyana 3.7 28.8 185 1371 2.0 2.1
Haiti 7.5 0 7500   0.1 0.0
Honduras . . 170   15455 . . 1.1
Hungary 4262 1351 112158 135100 3.8 1.0
Iceland 0 . .     0.0 . .
India 16705 46086 464028 1706889 3.6 2.7
Indonesia 1405 4663 156111 666143 0.9 0.7
Iran 1776 . . 88800   2.0 . .
Iraq . . 3581   149208 . . 2.4
Ireland 774 1274 64500 212333 1.2 0.6
Israel 12659 14242 81147 219108 15.6 6.5
Italy 35274 35532 1533652 2090118 2.3 1.7
Jamaica . . 106   13250 . . 0.8
Japan 46447 54641 4644700 5464100 1.0 1.0
Jordan 966 1367 10277 27340 9.4 5.0
Kazakhstan xxx 1502   136545 xxx 1.1
Kenya 853 603 29414 31737 2.9 1.9
Korea, North . . . .     . . . .
Korea, South 13262 27572 294711 1021185 4.5 2.7
Kuwait 3361 4715 40988 130972 8.2 3.6
Kyrgyzstan xxx 202   4591 xxx 4.4
Laos . . 16.3   5433 . . 0.3
Latvia xxx 260   23636 xxx 1.1
Lebanon 278 1633 23167 38881 1.2 4.2
Lesotho 28.7 70.7 755 2281 3.8 3.1
Liberia . . 8.5   944 2.4 0.9
Libya . . . .     . . . .
Lithuania xxx 410   37273 xxx 1.1
Luxembourg 173 . . 15727   1.1 . .
Macedonia, FYR xxx 130   9286 xxx 1.4
Madagascar 65.6 56.9 5046 8129 1.3 0.7
Malawi 20.6 . . 1373   1.5 . .
Malaysia 1293 3859 53875 241188 2.4 1.6
Mali 54.8 177 2491 9316 2.2 1.9
Malta 40.0 58.7 3333 8386 1.2 0.7
Mauritania 47.7 . . 1060   4.5 . .
Mauritius 8.8 14.4 4400 14400 0.2 0.1
Mexico 2284 5414 456800 1082800 0.5 0.5
Moldova xxx 18.3   6100 xxx 0.3
Mongolia . . 54.9   4991 6.3 1.1
Montenegro xxx 75.2   3958 xxx 1.9
Morocco 1734 3161 42293 90314 4.1 3.5
Mozambique 72.4 . . 1366   5.3 . .
Myanmar . . . .     2.1 . .
Namibia xxx 397   10179 xxx 3.9
Nepal 60.5 255 6722 18214 0.9 1.4
Netherlands 12850 11277 458929 805500 2.8 1.4
New Zealand 1797 1606 89850 133833 2.0 1.2
Nicaragua . . 44.4   6343 . . 0.7
Niger . . 47.2   5244 . . 0.9
Nigeria 543 1990 67875 199000 0.8 1.0
Norway 5221 6390 180034 426000 2.9 1.5
Oman 2397 4895 13098 57588 18.3 8.5
Pakistan 3657 5661 58984 202179 6.2 2.8
Panama 150 0 7143   2.1 0.0
Papua New Guinea 77.1 42.5 5931 10625 1.3 0.4
Paraguay . . 154   17111 . . 0.9
Peru . . 1958   150615 . . 1.3
Philippines 1959 2438 78360 203167 2.5 1.2
Poland 7982 8781 319280 462158 2.5 1.9
Portugal 3346 4821 123926 229571 2.7 2.1
Qatar . . . .     . . . .
Romania 8966 2086 208512 160462 4.3 1.3
Russia 331111 58644 2095639 1503692 15.8 3.9
Rwanda 41.2 74.5 2575 5731 1.6 1.3
Saudi Arabia 19743 45245 129888 447970 15.2 10.1
Senegal 111 200 5550 12500 2.0 1.6
Serbia xxx 845   38409 xxx 2.2
Seychelles 15.2 8.9 353 685 4.3 1.3
Sierra Leone 7.8 24.7 1114 2058 0.7 1.2
Singapore 2622 8323 54625 224946 4.8 3.7
Slovak Rep. xxx 1130   86923 xxx 1.3
Slovenia xxx 772   48250 xxx 1.6
Somalia . . . .     . . . .
South Africa 6335 4631 158375 356231 4.0 1.3
South Sudan xxx . .     xxx . .
Spain 14611 14744 730550 1474400 2.0 1.0
Sri Lanka 434 1500 18083 50000 2.4 3.0
Sudan 847 . . 23528   3.6 . .
Swaziland 16.1 124 1464 4133 1.1 3.0
Sweden 7155 5886 275192 452769 2.6 1.3
Switzerland 6602 4115 388353 514375 1.7 0.8
Syria 1168 2346 16000 57220 7.3 4.1
Taiwan 8474 9067 169480 431762 5.0 2.1
Tajikistan xxx . .     xxx . .
Tanzania 100 250 7143 20833 1.4 1.2
Thailand 3170 4846 109310 323067 2.9 1.5
Timor Leste xxx 30.8   629 xxx 4.9
Togo 65.4 56.8 2110 3341 3.1 1.7
Trinidad & Tobago . . . .     . . . .
Tunisia 347 563 15087 40214 2.3 1.4
Turkey 9918 17649 342000 735375 2.9 2.4
Turkmenistan xxx . .     xxx . .
UAE . . 16062   232783 . . 6.9
Uganda 69.3 280 2772 17500 2.5 1.6
UK 53751 58099 1311000 2234577 4.1 2.6
Ukraine xxx 3710   137407 xxx 2.7
Uruguay 833 788 26031 39400 3.2 2.0
USA 540415 698281 9480965 14547521 5.7 4.8
Uzbekistan xxx . .     xxx . .
Venezuela . . 3363   373667 . . 0.9
Viet Nam 840 2672 11831 106880 7.1 2.5
Yemen xxx . .     xxx . .
Yemen, North 702 xxx     . . xxx
Yemen, South . . xxx     . . xxx
Yugoslavia (former) . . xxx     . . xxx
Zambia 317 276 13208 16235 2.4 1.7
Zimbabwe  SEE FOOTNOTE 198 98.3 3960 7562 5.0 1.3

115 posted on 03/20/2014 10:10:27 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Yes, but in 1988, Estonia & the others were basket cases, and Singapore was already strong, economically. That does not mean that Estonia, for example, cannot do more NOW, but, part of the problem is that we have deliberately made & kept allies dependent, in this regard. It was seen to be to our advantage (except financially) to keep them weak militarily. Less trouble in the neighborhood, one might say.

Gross GDP can be somewhat misleading: In Singapore, over 1/6 of the households have net assets of over USD 1 million.

This is water under the bridge, though. I am more interested in creative solutions, and would like to see more comments in that direction.


119 posted on 03/21/2014 1:00:46 AM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Speaking of how real wealth allows greater defense spending, a few numbers on that chart are highly illustrative / really jump out:

In 2010, % of GDP -

Israel 6.5% (not THAT wealthy, but incredibly threatened)
UAE 6.9%
Oman 8.5% (18.3% in 1988 - Wow!)
Saudi Arabia 10.1 %


120 posted on 03/21/2014 1:22:20 AM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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