Israel Prepares for Possible Attack by Hijacked Malaysian Plane

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[BenLurkin]

According to the Times of Israel, Israel's Channel 2 has revealed that Israeli air defenses have been boosted, and approaching civilian aircraft will be asked to identify themselves far earlier.

Though the flight was presumed at first to have crashed, whole or in pieces, into the ocean, passive satellite transmissions from the aircraft suggest that it made a deliberate course change and may have headed north into central Asia.

Pakistan has already said that the flight never registered on its radar, but at least one expert has suggested the flight could have landed in Bangladesh, whose air defenses presumably would be weaker.

Though the possibility that the Boeing 777 could be used in a terror attack is mere speculation, it is evidently being taken seriously by Israel.

[chiefqc]

Don’t worry Israel, mac daddy said he will draw a red line and dare any nation to cross it and suffer dire circumstances such as another red line.

There another problem solved, phew that was stressful so he will need 2 weeks vacation at tax payers expense for a bargain cost of $150,000,000.00.

[publius911]

When that other airliner disappeared about ten years ago (and was never seen again) - did Israel prepare the same way they are now?

Things have improved somewhat in the last 80 years. In the art of aircraft design, communications and other useful technology.
Still, the "without a trace" modifier is overused; Those are a meaningful handful, in the "airliner" category, remarkable when considering the millions of airliner flights worldwide since 1945.

Here is one list :

Aircraft which have disappeared

[Yosemitest]

It CAN be done.

Someone sent me another piece of information you should read.

" Someone on another thread posted a link to a theory that the missing 777 used SIA68 (Singapore Airlines flight 68) to cloak their own airplane until they could get across the Indian Ocean, away from primary radar.

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68 "

That's a really good theory.

Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?Monday, March 17, 2014 - 12:01 AM EST
UPDATED: Monday, March 17, 2014 - 9:00 AM EST

But there's problems when you try to match it with the
the arc graph (click on it for more detailed info) that shows the estimated range of the aircraft with it's remaining fuel IF it was flying at its MAXIMUM SPEED or 7 hours 30 minutes of fuel.

Now, from the article:

this statement towards the end of his article.
" A satellite was able to pick up a ‘ping’ from the plane until 08:11 local time,
more than seven hours after it lost radar contact,
although it was unable to give a precise location.
Mr Razak went on to say that based on this new data, investigators ‘have determined the plane’s last communication with a satellite was in one of two possible corridors –
north from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan through to northern Thailand,
and south from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean. "

My problem is ~ I don't know how accurate that Red Arc map is,
and I don't know whether to trust it or not.

I've been trying to match up the numbers on a "guess-ta-mated" flight path.

You can narrows down the search area if you take all the Satellite "Handshakes" into consideration for the search of runways/landing strips that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 could have landed on.

A look at Malaysia Airlines jet's mysterious course 04:03

The Way Point on the northwet side of her screen is "IGREX" on Jet Route "P628" where the heading changes to a more northerly direction 320 degrees to PORT BLAIR Navaid.

" ...roughly four hours after the jet dropped from civilian radar screens, these people said, the link operated in a kind of standby mode and sought to establish contact with a satellite or satellites.

That's a total airborne time of about 4 hours 40 minutes from takeoff.

The arc graph shows the estimated range of the aircraft with it's remaining fuel IF it was flying at its MAXIMUM SPEED or 7 hours 30 minutes of fuel.

Now, from the article:

this statement towards the end of his article.
" A satellite was able to pick up a ‘ping’ from the plane until 08:11 local time,
more than seven hours after it lost radar contact,
although it was unable to give a precise location.
Mr Razak went on to say that based on this new data, investigators ‘have determined the plane’s last communication with a satellite was in one of two possible corridors –
north from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan through to northern Thailand,
and south from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean. "

That's 7 hours and 31 minutes after takeoff.

"... The plane departed for an overnight flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing at 12:40 a.m. on March 8.
Its communications with civilian air controllers were severed at about 1:20 a.m., and the jet went missing ... "

That leaves 2 Hours 50 minutes to travel from "IGREX" on Jet Route "P628 to an undefined point on that arc of 7 hours 30 minutes from takeoff.

Let's say that the pilot leans the engines out to get the most out of his fuel for distance with the remaining time for "IGREX" and gets 3 hours if time,
before he hits his 20 minutes safety margin on fuel and then starts to burn his 1 hour emergency fuel.
At maximum speed of Mach 0.89 (590 mph, 950 km/h, 512 knots) at a cruise altitude of 35,000 ft , that would allow him 1770 miles of distance (to the red arc), before hitting his reserves.

Let's assume that since he stayed on the Jet Routes, he continued to stay on the Jet Routes.

Now take that information and the arc ping map (important to view this map at this link for more details) along with the jet route map, and you can find possible links.

Now I run the numbers on the Jet Routes starting from "IGREX" on Jet Route "P628" and starting subtotaling for a target of 1770 Nautical Miles.
Take a look from SkyVector.com.

Jet Route P628 NW
IGREX 151 NM to Port Blair
Port Blair 272 NM to VATLA
VALTA 173 NM to URKOK
URKOK 172 NM to KAGUL
KAGUL 51 NM to DORIL
DORIL 99 NM to OPASA
OPASA 75 NM to IKINA
IKINA 28 NM to OPONI
OPONI 121 NM to ASOPO or JABALPUR
-----------
1,142 NM subtotal
---------------

Change route to W66 North to KHAJURAHO
ASOPO 97 NM to KKJ

Change route to W40 NNE via KANPUR to LUCKNOW
KJJ 72 NM to IGONA
IGONA 28 NM to LUCKNOW

Change route to M890 Northwest to SARSAWA
LUCKNOW 87 NM to JALABAD
JALABAD 65 NM to PUMOT
PUMOT 116 NM to SARAWA
--------------
1,607 NM Subtotal

SARAWA 27 NM to ONOGI
ONOGI 26 NM to CHANDIGARH (CHG)
CHG 73 NM to LAKET
LAKET 49 NM to SAMAR

Change Direction North to J220 to SIALKOT (SLT) Airport
SAMAR aprx 75 NM to SIALKOT Airport
------------------
1,857 NM

Now A different Route

From M890 at SARSAWA
--------------
1,607 NM Subtotal

Change route to W39 North to LEH
SARAWA 143 NM to LELAX
LELAX 101 NM to LEH
------------
1,851 NM Subtotal

Change route, direct to HOTAN approximately 030 heading
LEH approx 145 NM to HOTAN

Change Route, via SHACHE via KASHI
HOTAN apx 150 NM to SHACHE approx 310 heading
SHACHE 68 NM via A364 to KASHI

Change Route NNW via TADOT to BISHKEK MANAS
KASHI 100 NM to TADOT approximately 350 heading
TADOT 100 NM to BISHKEK MANAS Airport, Kyrgyzstan
--------------
2,414 NM Total (might be out of range)

==============================================

My Airport of Interest are:
UDHAMPUR (VIUX)
Runway [18 36] 9028.8 x 148 ft, Asphalt

Sialkot International Airport (IATA: SKT, ICAO: OPST)
Runway 22/04 11811 x 148 ASP

GILGIT (OPGT) Gilgit, Gilgit-Baltistan, Pakistan
Runway [07 25] 5385.6 x 98 ft, Asphalt
Runway 09 / 27 1003.2 x 49 ft / 306 x 15 m

Skardu Airport Pakistan (OPSD), IATA: KDU
Runway: 14/32 11944 Ft x 100 Ft ASP
Runway: 15/33 6501 Ft x 101 Ft ASP

======================

Ponder that.

[publius911]

I think there are much higher value targets to be had. The 777 would be the perfect weapon to take out one of our carriers. Start at high altitude and come barreling straight down, not much to do to stop it.

Don't be silly.
Airliners are not designed and built to be "dive bombers," going straight down.

You're right, thought. There's not much that could stop it, other than gravity, structural strains and probable structural failure and disintegration.
Makes it impossible actually to hit the intended target.

[edwinland]

Interesting analysis.

They could then have used another number after refueling to head somewhere else. And may use yet another number (of a plane they take down with a stinger missile??) when they are ready to attack.

[bgill]

Agreeing with every word.

[MayflowerMadam]

“A paint job “

As a FReepeer posted yesterday, beware of any 777 with an Earl Scheib paint job.

[Star Traveler]

That’s not really a list of the kind I’m talking about. They do list the “one” that I was talking about, along with a mishmash of other “disasters” ...

[Spartan302]

All aircarft even going NEAR Israel will have to transmit IFF codes, plus there will be ways to detect if another aircraft is “in the baffles” or rear blind spot, like a SIMULATED refueling position.

Still urks me FReepers who get all weeeed up because a 777 CANNOT mid air refuel.

But it can play like it wants to FRiends....

[wtd]

"When that other airliner disappeared about ten years ago (and was never seen again) - did Israel prepare the same way they are now?"-Star Traveler

Don't know. But this certainly adds the possibility of there being multiple planes masquerading to confuse defenses.

[Star Traveler]

2003: Boeing 727
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/13/world/aviation-mysteries/

[Yosemitest]

I’d guess they stayed in the hanger long enough for a new paint job to dry.

[Star Traveler]

This is highly plausible and would explain some of these radical changes in its course ...

[ought-six]

No wonder no one ever heard of that one. A company airplane with just a crew and maybe one passenger. Still, a 727 is not a small airplane. However, if it crashed in the jungle, it could explain why it has not been located. They are still finding WWII bombers in New Guinea.

[Spartan302]

Maybe the pilot went total bizzaro and tried to fly all the way to Antarctica, lands the plane on a glacier and then starts praying outside at -80F.

I would be laughing my ass off forever if it was found that AQ and its devout ROP members sent a ship with fuel to some tabular glacier, set up beacons, landing lights, a hut or even an enclosure for the 777, all the right gear to get it warmed up later and back in the air.

A polar base, just like something out of a Nazi sci fi thriller.

Muslims on ice, ouch I am already feeling like busting a gut about the total absurdity of it, and also fully aware that the ROP is so desperate it will seriously attempt such a scheme if it promises a place with 72 virgins.

[Star Traveler]

Pakistan makes more sense than Antarctica.

[BwanaNdege]

Out of radar range just fly up under a legitimate scheduled flight, remaining a hundred feet or so directly below it. Monitor that aircraft’s comm with ATC to anticipate changes in assigned altitude & heading so that you are prepared to mimic turns and climbs/descents.

Do it at night and the paint job will not matter. Do it during daylight and it will not matter until you are too close for anyone (outside of a military target with close-in air defense) to do anything about you.

[Spartan302]

Time to install some rear view and under carriage cameras.

I would say truckers mirrors but being a concrete mixer driver those too have blind spots, plus they are not very aerodynamic.

By all means FAA, install cameras!
get a radar in the ASS of your planes, not yours!

[X-FID]

No unidentified plane would get near enough to a Battle group to be a threat even if it was suicidal, it would be seen early on and shot down before it was anywhere near the Carrier.