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Is the U.S. Air Force really necessary?
World ^ | March 17, 2014 | Michael Cochrane

Posted on 03/17/2014 12:37:23 PM PDT by xzins

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To: Tenacious 1

So you aren’t buying that a SEAL team could have held Corregidor, or taken back Manila, me neither.


221 posted on 03/18/2014 10:09:27 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

WWII seems to have decided everything forever, in WWII the Army ran an Air Force about 8 times larger than the current one, and had more ships than the Navy.

Today it runs a mass of aircraft, much of it an effort to replace what the Air force took away in military readiness.

WWII is also what largely took the Marines away from the Navy and turned them into another Army force.

A little fresh thinking after 70 years, is due.


222 posted on 03/18/2014 10:20:54 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: xzins

It seems weird that our Airborne, Rangers, Special Forces, are always having to depend on assets from another branch of the service to be able to operate, and even train.

Today we have the Army depending on the Air Force.


223 posted on 03/18/2014 10:26:31 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: xzins
Not to take sides between the Army & Air Force; but from a Constitutional stand-point, it would be far better to place the Air Force as a semi-independent branch under the Navy. That is because of the language in Article I, Section 8,. which limits Army funding to a period of two years at a time.

Because of the time frame involved in provisioning a Navy--and since World War I an Air Force--there is no time limitation on Naval appropriations.

William Flax

224 posted on 03/18/2014 10:38:45 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: ansel12

Transportation priority is an odd thing to put in the hands of another service even in peacetime. In wartime it makes no sense at all. It should be a mission based decision and not one based on turf or competing objectives.


225 posted on 03/18/2014 10:40:18 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: ansel12
So you aren’t buying that a SEAL team could have held Corregidor, or taken back Manila, me neither.

That... and, I am trying to picture naval mechanized divisions taking Iraq like army ants on a grasshopper. Ain't nobody gonna drive a destroyer to Baghdad.

226 posted on 03/18/2014 11:08:37 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: ansel12

Army has always depended on the Air Force for weather support. Army has no weather service.


227 posted on 03/18/2014 11:47:22 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("To be deep in history is to cease being Protestant" - John Henry Cardinal Newman)
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To: NKP_Vet

So if they quit calling it “Air Force” Weather Agency, it would cease to exist.


228 posted on 03/18/2014 11:54:00 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: NKP_Vet

Actually the Army ran it until after WWII.

“AFWA traces its heritage to the organization of the Meteorological Service of the United States Army Signal Corps during World War I. On 1 July 1937, the Secretary of War transferred responsibility for weather services to the Army Air Corps. United States Army surgeons began recording weather observations regularly in the early 19th century as part of the Army’s medical studies. In 1870, the United States Congress directed the United States Secretary of War to establish a weather service for the nation. Thus, the Army’s first organized military weather service was established in the U.S. Army Signal Corps; however, this service waned after Congress authorized the creation of the U.S. Weather Bureau, today’s National Weather Service, in 1890.

America’s entry into World War I highlighted once again the need for an organized military weather service. Today’s Air Force Weather Agency directly traces its history to the re-emergence of a meteorological section within the U.S. Army Signal Corps in 1917. By the mid-1930s, the Army Air Corps was consuming the majority of the weather data the Signal Corps produced. On 1 July 1937, the Army Air Corps Weather Service, under the leadership of the Chief of the Weather Section in the Office of the Chief of the Army Air Corps, assumed responsibility for all Army weather services from the Signal Corps.

During World War II, the Army Air Forces Weather Service girdled the globe with weather stations.”


229 posted on 03/18/2014 11:56:56 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

“Actually the Army ran it until after WWII”.

Weather observing and forecasting were always part of the Air Corps. Yes technically the Air Corp was under the operational control of the Army, but with that said the Air Corp for all intends and purposes was it’s own branch for years until finally making the move official in 1947.


230 posted on 03/18/2014 12:12:49 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("To be deep in history is to cease being Protestant" - John Henry Cardinal Newman)
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To: NKP_Vet

Yes the Army Air Corp, when the army created it’s weather service, it did not disappear years later when they added the words Air corp to Army.


231 posted on 03/18/2014 12:21:12 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

You don’t have a clue, and the only reason you’re on FR to argue with someone.


232 posted on 03/18/2014 1:02:13 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("To be deep in history is to cease being Protestant" - John Henry Cardinal Newman)
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To: NKP_Vet

I think you should read your posts on this thread.


233 posted on 03/18/2014 1:10:55 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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