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Is the U.S. Air Force really necessary?
World ^ | March 17, 2014 | Michael Cochrane

Posted on 03/17/2014 12:37:23 PM PDT by xzins

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To: no-to-illegals
I do like the idea of giving the A-10 to the Army instead of retiring the A-10.

Retiring the the A-10 and using an F-35 in close combat support is a dumb idea.

21 posted on 03/17/2014 12:55:39 PM PDT by 11th Commandment ("THOSE WHO TIRE LOSE")
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To: xzins
We’re talking about there being one unified force.

They tried it in 1947 with the National Security Act, and again in 1986 with Goldwater-Nichols, and it didn't work either time.

22 posted on 03/17/2014 12:55:55 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: stanne

I remember once while driving two A-10s came from out of nowhere on a test run ... They lined up perfectly. If they wanted me, they had me.


23 posted on 03/17/2014 12:56:49 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Timber Rattler

Train as you fight

A guiding principle


24 posted on 03/17/2014 12:57:10 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Back in the late 50s or early 60s, an AF 4-star (wish I could remember his name) was asked if the U.S. would ever have a unified military, like Canada does. His reply was, “Yes, it will be called the U.S. Navy.”


25 posted on 03/17/2014 12:58:11 PM PDT by Hootowl
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To: xzins

For any organization, consider its core purpose.

Army is to occupy ground (with our people).

Air Force is to vacate ground (of any people).

Big difference.


26 posted on 03/17/2014 12:58:16 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: no-to-illegals

They are so slow and ominous. Iconically identifiable.

To scrap them would be another cultural insult, not to mention a defense problem.


27 posted on 03/17/2014 12:59:46 PM PDT by stanne
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To: 11th Commandment
The story is all laid out here rather accurately...

United States Army Air Forces

28 posted on 03/17/2014 1:00:08 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: xzins

I think having separate services is a good idea but I also think that combining the civilian departments (Department of the Army and Department of the Air Force) into a single department might help (similar to the Dept. of the Navy covering both the Navy and the USMC). So we would be left with a Department of Defense and two subordinate departments - the Department of the Navy and the Department of the Army and Air Force. (I also think this might save money.)


29 posted on 03/17/2014 1:00:22 PM PDT by Stingray51
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To: xzins

The guy is plainly an idiot who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Whoever controls the high ground controls the engagement. The first thing we’ve done in every war since WWII is establish air superiority.


30 posted on 03/17/2014 1:00:22 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: stanne

and have seen photos of A-10s shot all to heck but the A-10s all made it home. I love the A-10!


31 posted on 03/17/2014 1:01:28 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: ctdonath2
<>Air Force is to vacate ground (of any people).<>

Except for golf courses. USAF golf courses are the best.

32 posted on 03/17/2014 1:02:35 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: xzins

SO if an airliner is hi-jacked and loaded with say, a bomb and sent back into US airspace, we’re gonna....What? Retrofit an Airbus (like an episode of The A Team) and send it up? Dogfighting Dreamliners?


33 posted on 03/17/2014 1:03:48 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: xzins

Good Lord, just abolish the military service with the highest intelligence standards, and have all the fighter pilots sitting around comparing their dates of rank?
NO!


34 posted on 03/17/2014 1:05:32 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: xzins

The USAF is arguably the only airforce in the world with a genuinely independent strategic warfare capability in the form of a large fleet of capable heavy bombers. Pretty much every other airforce in the world is basically limited to providing a striking/air-defence/logistical support package for the other two services, and could really be folded into the more senior services.


35 posted on 03/17/2014 1:06:37 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: no-to-illegals

It’s true.

There’s a History Channel series and one installment is these guys.

they fly at a low altitude and slow. Getting shot up and limping back is a part of it.

They tried, during the Gulf war, to say that the A10s were there for politeness, old times sake.

The A 10 pilots would come to dinner all chatty and story swapping, the F 16 guys, not so much. Nothing against them at all, it’s just that the mission called for close air support. Lots of hovering, etc, and being able to fly after getting hit.

The photos tell the story.

Lots of trauma, though.


36 posted on 03/17/2014 1:06:50 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Hootowl
"His reply was, “Yes, it will be called the U.S. Navy.”

I've always found it fascinating that in many sci-fi/near future books there's the Navy and the Marines. Nothing else, so I thought that comment you posted is actually pretty forward thinking! I could see all operations, i.e., space, sea, air, and ground being run by one branch with the Marines to do the dirty work.

37 posted on 03/17/2014 1:07:27 PM PDT by aegiscg47
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To: Timber Rattler

The problem is the Key West Accords, which stripped the Army of any meaningful fixed wing combat airpower.

IIRC the USAF should retain long range bombing, interdiction and air dominance and battlefield/airspace command/control. Along with most light strike (incl SEAD) recce and cargo/transport.

Dedicated CAS should go to the Army along with enough recce, tanking, light/medium cargo and CAP/Light Strike assets to support the Army’s mission.


38 posted on 03/17/2014 1:07:43 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: MNnice
the Navy has the better ground combat unit that either the Marines or the Army.

Huh?

39 posted on 03/17/2014 1:09:06 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: AU72

joint and Inter service coordination works just fine and would have won us more wars - except for our political leadership which has been wasteful, counterproductive (and less)

and on occasion (borderline or not so) treasonous


40 posted on 03/17/2014 1:09:19 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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