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To: diogenes ghost

Didn’t know about all these missile experts. I do know that airplanes crash for various reasons. I have seen near misses where the aircraft did not crash and we caught it in time but if they had went down we would have never found out why.

I’ll give you just two examples. Over water flight from Germany to the US. Pilots keyed the HF radio and the bird went into a nose dive. They lost 9000 ft of altitude before they recovered. If they were lower one missing aircraft. Antenna cable had chafed and induced a erroneous signal into the autopilot system commanding a nose dive. We would have never found that on a crash investigation.

Next up, pilot made a right roll and stability system commanded a steeper roll than the pilot inputted. Again this was at an altitude that they recovered. At low altitude we would have been scraping them off the ground. The culprit this time was a bead of water in an actuator. It took us weeks to find it because it would freeze at altitude and not cause a problem. At lower altitudes the water would thaw out and short out the actuator. It was puzzling because it only affected rolls in one direction.

in either case we would have lost birds with missiles involved. Cockpit voice and flight data would not have recorded the problems.

So flame on.


229 posted on 03/12/2014 5:30:39 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: USAF80

We would have lost birds with no missiles being the culprit.


231 posted on 03/12/2014 6:03:29 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: USAF80
I assume the examples you gave involved military aircraft. The military simply does not have the same attitude toward investigations as civil authorities do.

Many reasons for that, but foremost is MONEY. If an aircraft model is considered dangerous by the public, nobody will fly in it, hence no more sales to airlines, followed by bankruptcy. Boeing, Airbus, etc are hugely important to their countries economies.

Therefor accident investigation has advanced to a tremendous state of expertise, fueled by money.

If the two examples you gave were civil, and had crashed and been recovered I'm pretty damned sure....

The first one solved quickly and easily. Indeed, I recall a DC-9 brought down by an intermittent short in a wiring harness. That was a miraculous catch!

The second one solved (assuming modern FDRs) to a fairly high degree of certainty.

Not flaming, just opining.

233 posted on 03/12/2014 6:07:00 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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