[PieterCasparzen]

Your assertion that Europeans have been pushing for Ukraine to join NATO is not supported by any facts.

The US State Department's official position, for many years, has been that Ukraine should join the EU.

They've spent, by their own account, some $5 billion in an effort to make that happen.

Which is interesting given the fact that some nations that are IN the EU have anti-EU factions growing within them; one is France.

The EU is globalism. Nations that join supranational organizations yield some of their national authority to the organization, which of course opens the door to increasing loss of national sovereignty.

Conservatism by definition is anti-globalism, because conservatism by definition would be pro-national sovereignty.

Covert foreign actors aiding and abetting the ouster of a government is an affront to national sovereignty.

We don't like it here in America when there is foreign influence in America, but somehow a few posters here on FR have no problem with the US toppling Other nation's governments.

[elhombrelibre]

You’re the second person today who thinks the EU and NATO are the same thing. When people do that type of sloppy writing, I find it difficult to continue to read their profundities, especially if they’re a Putinista.