Russia Gives Ukrainian Forces In Crimea Ultimatum To Surrender - Interfax

Reuters ^ | March 3, 2014

[Fennie]

Russia's Black Sea Fleet has told Ukrainian forces in Crimea to surrender by 5.am (0300 GMT) on Tuesday or face a military assault, Interfax news agency quoted a source in the Ukrainian Defence Ministry as saying.

The ultimatum, Interfax said, was issued by Alexander Vitko, the fleet's commander.

[RginTN]

Was it worth it for Ukraine to protest only for the EU to leave them hanging...

[Cyber Liberty]

[PieterCasparzen]

I get a kick out of the Politicians trying to get face time with the Ukraine issue, both here and on the World Stage. Putin’s not doing anything we haven’t done before to protect our interests or those of an ally....

Precisely. It's about stoking the "strong-defense" voter for upcoming elections. They want an indelible impression in the Republican/Independent/BlueDog Dem voter's mind, that Russia is still the evil empire.

Politicians will then "ping" that image in upcoming elections, saying how strong THEY are on national "defense".

"Freedom fighters", "democracy", opposing the evil empire, "free trade", etc.

Few of the "sheeple" understand who "free trade" as enacted really benefits or how it really works. A country is forced to internally implement globalism's policies in terms of allowing globalist companies to control and manipulate their markets for natural resources, ag products, etc. For example, unfettered foreign buyers with deep pockets relative to the local general public will bid up prices for foodstuffs at the producer level, as local producers race to produce as much as possible and ship it to eager foreign buyers. All the globalist companies that supply products and services for the ag industry will see the whole globalist framework implemented, e.g., whatever equipment, handling /picking / packagine practices, pesticides, fertilizers, Western-style futures contracts, etc., they prefer will be imposed on the newbie "partner" country. This locks in sales of their products and services in the newbie nation, allows them to safely buy up investments of all kinds in the country at a time when retail foreign investors can't, except indirectly through them, etc. Everywhere you look, it simply means monopoly, other than a few crumbs left for the sheeple, who can either work for them in low wage jobs, or, if they're lucky and it's not completely outlawed, try to squeek by in a small business that can't escape increased taxation, and is little more than another consumer.

A key part of what the policy changes do is enable the newbie nation to now issue sovereign debt instruments that can be traded in the Western bond markets. This means financing for the government to spend on Western products and services. It also means that the newbie nation's citizens are on the hook, through taxation, to repay their governments new credit line that was brokered through the global investment banks.

Like Greece and every other economic basket case fiefdom, the populace is then locked into the cheap polyester handcuffs of debt servitude, just like the "privileged" citizens of every Western "civilized" nation are.

The more all this bankrupts old-fashioned indigenous farmers, the better, since they will be forced to sell out for a pittance to foreign or local big investors.

This is precisely what we see in China, as the rush to the mythical "prosperity" in the "big city" yields no real opportunity, just a lifetime of working and living in a manner that a lab rat would consider a life of excruciating despair.

The whole process squeezes the average citizen/consumer with higher prices and tax burden while never really producing the dream of purchasing power for their earnings, which the free trade magnates of course want to keep as low as possible.

So many American conservatives supposedly "hate" globalism, but they obviously don't really have a clue about what it actually is.

For the record, the trade statistics between the United States and Russia, for those keeping score:

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4621.html

2013

TOTAL 2013

Exports from US to Russia: $11,164,000,000

Imports to US from Russia: $26,961,500,000

Net Trade Balance: $-15,797,500,000

Boeing (a key US defense contractor) by their own admission:

"The Boeing Company has maintained a cooperative relationship with Russia and the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) since the era of the former Soviet Union. In the 1970s, Boeing as a part of the historic U.S.-Soviet space mission, Apollo-Soyuz, when spacecraft from both countries docked in orbit."

To find the complete PDF online on Boeing's website, just google:

boeing russia backgrounder

Why would a key defense contractor engage in such high-tech trade with a supposed "enemy" nation ? Obviously to the people making the real decisions, Russia is a trading partner, not an enemy.

IMHO, it makes no sense at all to bang war drums, given that it looks like globalist bankers/traders are running pretty much everything as they please while keeping the fact well-hidden (in plain sight) from the public.

Sorry for the rant, I think we're in agreement; of course this was intended as info for the interested reader.

[caww]

Good post Pieter C......

Also the demographics of a region come into play. Location matters. If you look at Ukraine/Russia’s location to the Black Sea and ultimately the Mediterrainian it’s perfectly understandable why Putin would “hold” the area.

We also can’t ignore the fact that the US has been supporting nations going into Nato which prevents Russian Influence...which is exactly what the US did in Ukraine...and Putin was watching our moves in financially and politically undergirding the Ukraines in toppling their “elected” President....we sent millions to assist that overthrow and of course McBain was right there representing the administration......Putin didn’t miss the whole affair, not by an inch.

In many ways we provoked the situation that is now there....the Ukraine’s should have waited until the next election, they jumped ahead instead and this with our handouts.

Your post was very interesting....if people aren’t watching the hands of the Globalist Movements then many things are either not understood or easily misconstrued.

Unfortunately in our world today people simply pick a side with no understanding of the dynamics surrounding why leaders of nations do what they do.

[caww]

.....”looks like globalist bankers/traders are running pretty much everything as they please while keeping the fact well-hidden (in plain sight) from the public”......

That’s just it in a nutshell. ..and the reason we’ve been seeing our companies and manufacturing, our resources and banking industry “move” to the East. It’s all going over there and has been for sometime because it is the Globalist Agenda for richer country’s to lift and elevate the other nations.....and while doing so transfer Revenues between those in control of these movements.

Obamacare, College Loans, Insurance Companies, Banks...(and eventually large conglomerate churches) which have steady streams of monies flowing through them...are targets to get under Gov. control. Not for the people, though it’s presented so, but to have access to these ‘steady stream’ revenue sources, and into the hands of the “players” in the Global card game...a game we don’t see.

[caww]

MTW....you do notice that how these trade deals etc. do mimic exactly how the Costra Nostra does business and skims off the top? Lets enough trickle down to the people while pilfering millions and each “player” taking a cut along the way.

[PieterCasparzen]

Perhaps it will suffice for now to say yes, it is the same principle.

[PieterCasparzen]

It’s all going over there and has been for sometime because it is the Globalist Agenda for richer country’s to lift and elevate the other nations.....and while doing so transfer Revenues between those in control of these movements.

Quite. Interestingly, Chinese corporations have, over the last few years, been getting the work done necessary to issue corporate bonds tradeable on world markets.

Bonds have less risk than equity (shares of stock). The bond interest becomes the "cut".

Insurance Companies

LOL. People have NO CLUE about the significance of insurance companies in the control of a nation with highly-regulated capital markets. It's very fascinating if you carefully think it through, oh so simple, yet elegant.

Gov. control.

Government control of anything - keeps it out of the hands of the "little people", the sheeple.

National parks - this keeps people from buying that land, locking it away for decades, centuries. When it is finally sold, since the elites control government, it will be sold off in sweetheart deals to the elites. Why pay real estate taxes or carry an asset for decades if you're not ready to develop it yet ?

Insurance, banking gov't control - obviously - keep ALL competition out of the marketplace. This ties in with the insurance statement above.

Take a look at the balance sheet of an insurance company, a simple, fundamental view...

[elhombrelibre]

When an army invades another country, as the neo Soviets have done, then they’re a greater threat to sovereignty than any other. Putin has no more right to tell Ukrainians what to do than Soros or Obama.

[elhombrelibre]

There is no separate country called Eastern Ukraine. It’s one country. The votes from the east were the majority. Their elected president tried to get his country into the EU. Putin, not a Ukrainian, said no. There was a rebellion. Putin invaded parts of Ukraine. It’s really not more complicated than that. He won’t allow an independent Ukraine, partly because their success would show his people how much he abuses them.

[RitchieAprile]

he wants to put the Empire of Peter the Great and Catherine the Great back together. he doesn’t seem communist, or even a political ideologue, but just a strongman. but his message resonates with Russians, unless the economy there tanks...

[duckln]

Russia gave the Crimea to the Ukrainians because they were friends.

When the Ukrainians decided to become an enemy, they should give it back.

[duckln]

I think Russia feels the same way.

[Zhang Fei]

But Russia Today says they’ve already surrendered.

[caww]

This pretty much sums up the situation in Crimea

'Ukraine' Soldier with girlfriend...'Russian' Soldiers right there...No War going on there!

[caww]

See post 175....Ukraine and Russia Soldiers very casual.

[caww]

....”Putin has no more right to tell Ukrainians what to do than Soros or Obama”...

Oh Really?......Since when its it about rights? Or laws? These are only for nation peoples to follow..certainly not Government leaders, and they don’t have to care if they’re within the law...they act and let the chips fall as they will..and then deal with whatever.

Putin’s protecting his ports and the oil flow and distribution through the waters there, which his country depends on....Like it or not we would do exactly the same thing Putin’s doing.

If you really believe National leaders make decisions acc ording to the will of their people...then you need to face reality. That’s long gone.

If the West wanted they could deal a major blow to Putin monetarily.....instead the EU is ‘securing’ up all Putins and his olegarks monies throughout the EU.....massive amounts...EU isn’t about ready to let go of all that wealth Putins put in their countries....so they aren’t going to do a thing except “talk”...and throw some threats around.

Ukraine people screwed themselves and that’s all there is to it....they have had corruption throughout forever and failed to get it together even when it was handed to them and they had all the resources to grow and develope.

Ukraine will never be without Russian influence or holding some area of it. Not possible.

[caww]

****BREAKING*****

Air Force Base near Sevastopol Ukraine moved to the side of the 'Crimean autonomy'...More than 800 personnel....

03/03/2014 14:59:36

Command of the 204th base in Belbek allegiance to the Crimean people. Crimea army had at its disposal 49 fighters.

204th Fighter Air Base Air Force of Ukraine, which has 49 aircraft in service, went over to the Government of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea (ARC), Interfax reported, citing a government autonomy.

"Today, the command of the 204th base in Belbek announced its transition to the side of the Crimean people," - said the representative of the government. We are talking about more than 800 personnel.

At the airport "Belbek" are 45 MiG-29 fighters and 4 training aircraft L-39. Of these, only four are intact and one fighter training aircraft.

http://sevastopol.su/news.php?id=58129

[caww]

Very Interesting live webcam’s Sevastopol, Ukraine....

http://infosevas.ru/cam/16

http://infosevas.ru/cam/7

http://infosevas.ru/cam/2

[elhombrelibre]

You're in synch with Obama. I guess I can only wonder if you voted for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GivoqyhefdE&feature=youtu.be