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To: Berlin_Freeper
Sigh....Crimea was Russian for over 200 years until 1954. In fact, a century ago during another war, it was referred to as "The Russian Crimea." Before the Russians, it belonged to the Ottoman Empire, now defunct. Before that it belonged to the Venetians, now defunct. Before that.....it NEVER belonged to Ukraine. Never. Not for a day.

Nikita Khrushchev literally gifted RUSSIAN Crimea to Ukraine in 1954 as a political payoff in order to secure their party leadership "vote" (sic) on his accession after Stalin's death. THAT is how RUSSIAN Crimea wound up as part of Ukraine.

Imagine if Eisenhower had "given" Long Island and NYC to Connecticut as part of a "deal" to secure CT's vote on some political deal, in 1954. THAT is how the Crimea (presto!) became part of Ukraine, for the first time in recorded history. Yet it never had more than a few % of ethnic Ukrainians living there, while its naval bases and seaports remained a key cog in RUSSIA's military posture.

Not to mention that the Ukrainians, post WW2, were involved in VICIOUS mass-murdering and mass-deporting between Ukraine and Poland, with atrocities on both sides. Their borders have shifted 100s of miles a few times a century. And we should start WW3 over Russia reasserting its sovereignty over RUSSIAN CRIMEA?

Not on my planet. No frackin' way, Berliner. RUSSIAN CRIMEA is way more Russian than Hawaii is American, and no matter what, we're not giving up Hawaii, let me tell you.

147 posted on 03/02/2014 6:52:28 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
It is really odd how you keep referring to Hawaii while ignoring the most glaring in-your-face example of Southwestern US and Mexico.

Especially in a week of this happening:


Not safe to display American flag in American high school
Today’s Dariano v. Morgan Hill Unified School Dist. (9th Cir. Feb. 27, 2014) upholds a California high school’s decision to forbid students from wearing American flag T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo.
Imagine If Obama kept weakening our military, started murdering protesters, abandoned his office and got impeached from power, failed to flee to Mexico and hid in the SW with his stolen loot, welcomed INVADING Mexican military power... To be consistent and non-hypocritical, you would need to apply all your long past historical trivia in favor of Obama and Mexico.

In fact, you go even farther than the invading thug Putin does. Putin hasn't even claimed Crimea as part of Russia, he simply stated he invaded "to prevent possible violence".

Yet for a guy who says Ukraine is not our business, you are in overdrive making it your business in handing a part of a sovereign country to a military invader... on a silver platter with a pretty pink bow attached to it. (which is also very odd, btw.)

The year is 2014. Ukraine is a SOVEREIGN NATION, co-equal & brother to ALL CIVILIZED WESTERN NATIONS (throwing in the CAPS since you went there).

It is not acceptable for Russian troops to be put in Ukrainian territory and the only reasonable response from Civilized Freedom Loving People (I toned it down to simple capitalization) is that all political and economic pressure must be applied against the Invading Thug Putin who operates like a Mafia Boss rather than a Civilized Leader.

149 posted on 03/02/2014 9:52:59 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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