You cannot show me a single thing recorded that Jesus spoke TO or about a government, beyond that when He comes it will rest upon Him.
Jesus would not have had to go to Rome, seems to me He had a chat with Pilate. No words there about this at all.
I guess the widows mites should have gone to Pilate so he could take his cut and disperse the rest.
To quote you, the fact remains that Jesus came as savior, not social worker. He came for us as individuals.
He never said anything against helping the poor? You are so correct. In fact he did say to help. He said that to YOU. Do you? Or is your conscience salved by the idea that govt does enough?
If you do not read the about Jesus as YOUR savior, and all He said directed to YOU, then, IMHO, you’ve missed the boat.
Your line of reasoning (he didn’t say that) is faulty and often used to allow unbiblical things.
Such as: Argument - Jesus never said homosexuality is bad.
Nope, can’t find the words that He did. Yet, Jesus is the Word, so it can be said that the Bible, being the Word, IS Jesus. And that Word tells me homosexuality is a sin.
So, context, context, context.
And finally, you say that Jesus wasn’t on my side. Apparently, His focus was not for YOU?
Lets take your reasoning a bit further. You are OK with allowing Govt to coopt or force YOUR function of giving (We are told to give). We are also told, individually, to live by the commandments. Should we then say, that Govt should coopt or force you to keep that Sabbath Holy? Should you be forced to have no God but the Lord?
Bottom line, living as the Lord would have you to, is a choice. An individual choice. Not a governmental/group choice.
And to answer your last (Funny how you have ‘chosen’ not to answer any of my questions) of course I realize Jesus wasn’t American. You do realize this country started by people coming here to be able to freely worship Him? And government was started, acknowledging Him? That being the case, WHERE in those governments was the Dept of Free Money?
The ‘burden’ of helping falls to Church, family, friends, charity. Government is a necessary evil to conduct a nation. It is not a charitable company.
A Christian who is Liberal (Progressive) needs to ‘examine his ways’. They have bought a lie. It sounds as though you have too. Liberalism destroys. It dehumanizes. It murders and steals. None of which are Godly characteristics.
Me, I’ll take the Jesus in the Bible that came for ME. That spoke to ME. That had commandments for ME. Who loved ME. It is amazing to me that He loved me enough to endure what He did, so that I would have a way back to the Father.
Then clearly, making sure we pay the lowest taxes possible was not a priority.
Jesus would not have had to go to Rome, seems to me He had a chat with Pilate. No words there about this at all. I guess the widows mites should have gone to Pilate so he could take his cut and disperse the rest.
You're missing my point. Back then, the concept of government helping the poor was completely foreign. Therefore, the concern that the government SHOULD NOT help the poor would never have occurred to any of them.
To quote you, the fact remains that Jesus came as savior, not social worker. He came for us as individuals.
That's right! Not a social worker. Not a tax reformer either. Not a proponent of American conservatism. He has nothing to do with American politics today. But if he did, I'm afraid he probably would have been a Democrat (although I doubt he'd have been a big fan of gay marriage and abortion.)
He never said anything against helping the poor? You are so correct. In fact he did say to help. He said that to YOU. Do you? Or is your conscience salved by the idea that govt does enough?
I think he would have wanted BOTH. Government programs that help the poor, and the rich and comfortable donating yet more on a local level.
If you do not read the about Jesus as YOUR savior, and all He said directed to YOU, then, IMHO, you’ve missed the boat.
It's all fine, it just has nothing to do with taxes.
Your line of reasoning (he didn’t say that) is faulty and often used to allow unbiblical things. Such as: Argument - Jesus never said homosexuality is bad.
He may have considered that as being covered by the prohibition on adultery. I've had plenty of Freepers insist that he was against rape, too, although he never mentioned it. They always say the adultery clause covers it. I think rape and homosexuality were simply not high on his priority list... rather like taxes.
Nope, can’t find the words that He did. Yet, Jesus is the Word, so it can be said that the Bible, being the Word, IS Jesus. And that Word tells me homosexuality is a sin.
Okay, let's work with that. Where does the Bible say taxes should not be used to help the poor? Anywhere? ANYWHERE?? You find it, I'll take it.
So, context, context, context.
You find me a place in the Bible where it says taxes should not be used to help the poor and I won't even ASK the context. Just find it.
And finally, you say that Jesus wasn’t on my side. Apparently, His focus was not for YOU?
His focus was not making sure my tax money didn't help the poor, far as I can tell.
Lets take your reasoning a bit further. You are OK with allowing Govt to coopt or force YOUR function of giving (We are told to give).
No I'm not. I'm a conservative. I just don't think it goes against Jesus' teachings. I see no evidence anywhere that Jesus would have disapproved.
Bottom line, living as the Lord would have you to, is a choice. An individual choice. Not a governmental/group choice.
So having the government ban gay marriage in the name of following the Bible wouldn't have impressed him either. After all, gays wouldn't be living "right" of their own free will, only because the government prevented them.
And to answer your last (Funny how you have ‘chosen’ not to answer any of my questions) of course I realize Jesus wasn’t American. You do realize this country started by people coming here to be able to freely worship Him? And government was started, acknowledging Him? That being the case, WHERE in those governments was the Dept of Free Money?
Hate to tell you, but creating the welfare system was very much supported in the name of Christian charity. Now you may say they had the wrong idea of what Christian charity should be, but that's your opinion. There's no evidence Jesus would have agreed.
The ‘burden’ of helping falls to Church, family, friends, charity. Government is a necessary evil to conduct a nation. It is not a charitable company.
There's no evidence Jesus would agree with you.
A Christian who is Liberal (Progressive) needs to ‘examine his ways’. They have bought a lie.
You're the one who has bought a lie. You've created Duck Dynasty Jesus, who never cared about taxes until they started helping the poor.
It sounds as though you have too. Liberalism destroys. It dehumanizes. It murders and steals. None of which are Godly characteristics.
A liberal Christian would say the same of wars. They have their interpretation of Jesus, you have yours. Theirs has more Biblical support. Yours is terribly thin.
Me, I’ll take the Jesus in the Bible that came for ME. That spoke to ME. That had commandments for ME. Who loved ME. It is amazing to me that He loved me enough to endure what He did, so that I would have a way back to the Father.
Oh, I thought he did it so your tax money wouldn't be used to help the poor.
Satan loves it when theologians argue.