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To: stanne
You’re living in a world where you believe the Catholic Church is a democratic system. It is not.

You are repeating yourself, and which is not even a valid argument, as the problem is that, as said and ignored, regardless of what Rome officially states, Scripture teaches that it is what we do that manifests what we really believe - "I will shew thee my faith by my works." (Ja. 2:18) And what Rome does is treat even prohomosexual public figures as members in life and in death,

The Church is a 2000 year old institution founded by Jesus. Of course it is the truth.

That also is a spurious argument, as longevity does not equate to validity, esp. as being the same church as the NT one, in critical contrast to it.

All those words are a waste of time and effort We are not talking about the same thing

Yours are, for the more you insist on making assertions of validity of elitist Rome then the more she will exposed. He that exalts himself shall be abased.

There are priests available with whom you can speak,

I have tried, but they do not want to, and it is because of such then you have the laity here attempting to promote and defend Rome. When on a forum then assertions invite challenges.

You would have to refer to the true church, the Biblical one.

And the premise that Rome is the One True church is an assertion, and thus the question i asked before as to the basis for its authority: "What is the basis for your assurance that Rome is the one true and infallible church?" Tell your priest to sign up here and answer if he want to do so .

Of course, amidst the conflicting statements of Rome are those who which forbid lay persons from engaging in deebates as this:

We furthermore forbid any lay person to engage in dispute, either private or public, concerning the Catholic Faith. Whosoever shall act contrary to this decree, let him be bound in the fetters of excommunication. — Pope Alexander IV (1254-1261) in “Sextus Decretalium”, Lib. V, c. ii: - http://oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=Religious_Discussions

"...when there is a question of dogmatic or moral theology, every intelligent layman will concede the propriety of leaving the exposition and defence of it to the clergy.” [who themselves needed due authorization]. - www.newadvent.org/cathen/05034a.htm

“the Church forbids the faithful to communicate with those unbelievers who have forsaken the faith they once received, either by corrupting the faith, as heretics, or by entirely renouncing the faith, as apostates, because the Church pronounces sentence of excommunication on both.” St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica

Is it permitted for Christians to be present at, or to take part in, conventions, gatherings, meetings, or societies of non-Catholics which aim to associate together under a single agreement everyone who, in any way, lays claim to the name of Christian? In the negative! - (Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos)

And which statements, as with so much of RC teaching, is open to interpretation .

85 posted on 03/03/2014 8:50:55 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Blah blah blah

Take it up with the theologians in the Church


86 posted on 03/03/2014 9:57:54 PM PST by stanne
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