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So, I'm a Millennial and a leftist. Zot away (Froggy Mod says "Adieu")

Posted on 02/24/2014 3:17:38 PM PST by Millennial Lefty

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To: Ray76

I miss the Viking Kitties. None here for the zot.


221 posted on 02/24/2014 6:58:24 PM PST by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Millennial Lefty

Adios muchachos


222 posted on 02/24/2014 7:00:14 PM PST by Steel Shoe
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To: Katya
didn’t know there was a list of “required” polito-thinking I was supposed to adhere to as a Libertarian lolol you repubs are soo funnay

Why don't you try reading the "Libertarian" platform. You think pointing out the truth is funny?

223 posted on 02/24/2014 7:07:23 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: KC_Lion

Sometimes I have to wonder if the Bible is more of a book of cautionary tales of an ice age civilization that once aspired for perfection but like Daedalus burned up in the sun of reality when it vain-fully tried to reach some sort of utopia it could never reach as the hubris of reaching beyond god leads to such fleeting sorrow.

Garden Story: Cautionary Tale about being kicked out of the house when children learn to take care of themselves. Imagine Adam and Eve being children and god being the parent, when you are young life truly is paradise, your parents take care of every need and you are pretty much a blank slate. When they grow old and become adolescents they rebel as they are old enough to start learning (the forbidden fruit of knowledge) when they learned enough the parents kick them out for their own good as they can now take care of themselves and will eventually make their own version of paradise for their own children.

Tower of Babel: The Perils of Multiculturalism and the Hubris of man, the tower could be a metaphor for a nation and balkanisation.

Noah’s Flood: Pretty much a prepper’s tale of people who are grounded preparing for the worst while people laugh at them and then later are proven correct while the fools who made fun of them are swept away by the flood.

Esau and Jacob: Selling your Birthright (freedom) for security and welfare (Porridge) leads to nothing but sorrow.

Ezekiel and the Chariot: (Ancient Aliens Guy) ALIENS :)

Too many people just read the bible and memorize it, but don’t think about the stories and the multiple ways they can be thought of and the multiple lessons that can be learned from them. Too many people who consider themselves agnostic or atheist write off the bible itself as a book of fairy tales without realizing that even fairy tales contain many important life lessons, they by forsaking their birthright (past knowledge of the bible) for some Porridge (smugness that makes them feel good) they lead lives of sorrow... Dang I am doing it again...


224 posted on 02/24/2014 7:22:17 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Millennial Lefty

Why are you to the left of the DNC?


225 posted on 02/24/2014 8:13:32 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Very nice. Thank you. So much for civility.


226 posted on 02/24/2014 8:26:40 PM PST by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I see, we all must be card carriers of one ilk or another... thank you. I will remember to register for re-education camp this summer.


227 posted on 02/24/2014 8:29:40 PM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: OneWingedShark
Agreed.

People seem scared of what the other side has to say. But as Reagan said so many years ago, freedom and democracy will defend itself very well and when given the chance will always prevail. The argument for freedom will always win the debate in the forum of ideas. FR should be a forum, I think, and should be a stage to demonstrate how the power of freedom and fee ideas prevails over that of tyranny. I don't think we advance the cause of freedom when we lock the other side out of the discussion. Only when we're tested with opposing ideas can we see the mettle and moral strength and value of freedom and a free society.

228 posted on 02/24/2014 9:04:29 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew
The argument for freedom will always win the debate in the forum of ideas. FR should be a forum, I think, and should be a stage to demonstrate how the power of freedom and fee ideas prevails over that of tyranny. I don't think we advance the cause of freedom when we lock the other side out of the discussion. Only when we're tested with opposing ideas can we see the mettle and moral strength and value of freedom and a free society.

Thank you, exactly my point — and said much better than I did.

229 posted on 02/24/2014 9:10:55 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: PapaNew; OneWingedShark

I agree with you in principle that the ideas of freedom and other elements of core conservatism are strong enough to endure the most withering scrutiny.

However, in any such communication, the audience must be considered. Jesus said that we should not cast our pearls before, um, creatures who were incapable of appreciating said pearls, and who just as likely would turn them against us at every opportunity.

Furthermore, he told the disciples to shake the dust off their feet and leave the conversation in a given place when it became evident it was not being well-received.

This is just pragmatic for people with limited time to a task. I sold Bible encyclopedias door to door decades ago in the deep south. It was just a summer job, but the professionals running the operation were adamant we not waste our precious time banging on doors that wouldn’t open and struggling with prospects who were obviously not that interested.

We have a great message, one that stands the test of rational thought and addresses the realities of human life better than any alternative system of thought. But if we cannot engage a prospect at that level of real, thoughtful conversation, then we need to move on.

Now you may say the OP may have been open to such a conversation. As a statistical matter, I’m not inclined to believe it. Most folks who openly and consciously identify with leftist principles have, at least in my experience, a serious problem rising above the emotive programming that drives their worldview. I believe there is real brainwashing involved, so many institutions conveying the same false message so pervasively for so long it has become to them an unshakable reality. This cannot be overcome with pure reason. At least not in the majority of cases.

So the solution would be to find those who signal genuine openness. The “programming” hasn’t taken hold in them. There is still a chance they may come around if exposed to a sound argument. That’s where we should spend our time. Not playing foil to trolls.


230 posted on 02/24/2014 11:04:49 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

If the long history of leftist tyranny and the present day news of countries rising up and throwing off their shackles and pounding Lenin statues into scrap doesn’t give them a clue, members of an internet forum aren’t likely to do it either.


231 posted on 02/24/2014 11:08:24 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: OneWingedShark; PapaNew

I’m with you. Regardless of what anyone thinks of “Millenial Lefty”’s views, he/she gave us the opportunity to demonstrate why we are right unhindered by the MSM. I was looking forward to debating the poster on the issues.


232 posted on 02/25/2014 4:04:03 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

“That’s like saying you’re not a prostitute, you just trade sex for money.”

I love it!


233 posted on 02/25/2014 4:12:17 AM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Admin Moderator
"And I am a splendid dancer as well."
*snickering*.."the Rumba..the Waltz..the Twist..the Momba?

234 posted on 02/25/2014 4:16:22 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: Albion Wilde

LOL!


235 posted on 02/25/2014 6:38:16 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: PhiloBedo

I miss the Viking Kitties. None here for the zot.

I've no Viking Kitties. Do have some dancing ones though.

 

 


236 posted on 02/25/2014 7:01:19 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: KC_Lion

God Bless the Conservative and Jewish followers of The Lord!!!


237 posted on 02/25/2014 7:01:28 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: Springfield Reformer
I think you've got some important ideas about how not to waste your time on those you perceive as not open or interested. I think those are good points you make and Jesus doesn't "force" himself on anyone. Fair enough. You and I are free to choose whether to engage with that other person or not. But that's not the same as locking out the other side from the forum altogether.

This site is called "Free Republic." Well that name echos the free society we've had in America for the last 250 years - a society that has always welcomed people of all faiths and beliefs. A free and healthy society, like historical America, never feared ideological opposition because given the choice, people will always choose freedom over tyranny. The values of our founders, which ought to be reflected here, were that life liberty and free pursuits trump everything else and is able to "take on all comers." That should be our attitude here.

I see a couple of things at work here, neither one a problem and potentially a benefit. First, this is (or could be or should be) a place to test the what and why of someone's particular beliefs by seeing how those beliefs stand the test of opposition. Many here may believe some of the right things but have demonstrated they have no idea why they believe these things. Others here believe falsehoods and have also demonstrated that their only reason is following a certain party line, be it "conservative" or a certain person or whatever. It is good thing when things are allowed to burst our illusions or force us to go back an learn why we believe what we do, possibly making adjustments, etc. Our goal should not be a partisan spirit, but our goal should be the truth because the truth will set us (and others) free. And the truth will always stand the test of opposition and will always win the debate in the forum of ideas.

I've just touched on the second thing at work here, allowing the truth to help those who have been brainwashed and are lost in a sea of lies. This could be a site to help those people. Maybe some can be helped and some can't. But as the Constitution allows all ideologies becasue of the preeminence of life and liberty, so should FR welcome others in the same spirit and the same boldness without fear, becasue we know we have the truth that sets us and others free,

238 posted on 02/25/2014 8:05:01 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
I was looking forward to debating the poster on the issues.

So was I. On an early post I invited him to chat with me later after the firestorm, which apparently he didn't survive. Makes you wonder what kind of a society some of these folks would have if given the chance. The kind of society I value is a free and healthy society that doesn't fear opposition because we know that the truths of life, liberty, and free pursuits always win the debate in the forum of ideas.

Saboteurs are another thing, but having ideas opposed to ours is not sabotage per se. I suppose something akin to someone constantly shouting over everyone else and disrupting the meeting so that the discussion can't continue would be valid grounds for a "zot."

239 posted on 02/25/2014 8:18:12 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: skinkinthegrass
"*snickering*.."the Rumba..the Waltz..the Twist..the Momba?"

The Rambo (for snickerers,) The ZOT, the monsterTroll mash, the Yo Momba and the HappyBan dance.

--Wallflower Mod

240 posted on 02/25/2014 9:56:51 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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