[Jeff Chandler]

For all we know, AA hurts more people than it helps.

The passive/aggressive approach probably won't get ya much
traction with this crowd.

You have misidentified the purpose of that comment. I was pointing out that we can't know what the efficacy of the program is. We can't even know what the net outcomes are, because nobody keeps track of them.

It's all fine and well to sing praises because of some alleged positive outcomes, but if you're not keeping track of the results, you can't quantify them or compare them to the results of other paths taken.

That's not hostility, that's reality.

I don't intend to offend the True Believers, just to inject logic into the conversation.

[tomkat]

Well, while remaining unclear as to your actual motive with all this, it seems unlikely that just to inject logic is at the root of it.

But I've been wrong a couple times before, once even fairly recently !