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What that obituary tells me is that the woman went to her death believing what she said, that Stanley Ann Dunham must have been in that same hospital at the same time she was, although she didn’t see her. Her daughters must have felt so strongly about their mother needing to be right, they had that included in her obtituary. The entire fiasco about the birth certificate must have weighed on all their minds, it was even suggested that the Nordyke documents were fakes because they were not numbered in the order of birth according to the date on the obviously forged document.
The girls were born on August 5, yet their numbers end in 37 & 38, whereas the fake, dated August 4, ends in 41.

Which is a major problem if we are to believe that Stanley Ann Dunham gave birth at Kapiolani one day before the twins were born.

But it’s not a problem if that number 41 was one of a batch of birth documents forwarded to the HDOH from the Wahiawa Hospital.

The Local Registrar indicated that the data received from the hospitals was entered in batches, and The Daily Pen blog did a fine job of showing how the four births at Wahiawa on August 4 were entered and numbered AFTER the Kapiolani births were dealt with and numbered.

So then you would have number 41 appear to be out of sequence. Which wouldn’t have mattered at all, if that number was issued to a living individual born at Wahiawah Hospital.

Someone like Virginia, had she lived, would be walking around using that certificate and no one would ever say, your certificate number isn’t in sequence, why would that be?

So it seems you need to be able to see just what might have happened that caused this. I’ve thought about it long and hard, and offer this solution:

The death notice for the child that died was published on August 8. That’s the same date the Local Registrar was presented with the data of the birth of an individual named as BHO2 (for short) - this data was false. The person who submitted this data must also have been involved in the removal of the document that arrived from Wahiawah for Virginia.

The telling mistake made at this point was it was assumed that because Virginia died at Kapiolani, she was born there.

When the emergency treatment required for Virginia resulted in her transfer to Kapiolani, her birth data made its normal way from Wahiawah to the HDOH and sat there in the batch for that day, and was still there on August 8, when her death announcement appeared in the paper under the name of her father.

The number 41 that coincides with her time and place of birth, now replaced by a fake document, generated the birth announcement and all that remained of the birth record of Virginia is the number. Her data probably ended up in someones socks...

Thus, some time later, when funeral arrangements were being made, and her name had to be corrected (they couldn’t bury her under her fathers name) and no birth record was found at the HDOH, they issued a BC some 400+ numbers in advance of her actual birth, some two weeks later.

I’m sure there will be others here who can offer a better solution, do, by all means, have a go at it.

But if that’s what actually went on, then we can understand Eleanour Nordyke’s reaction, and it might also throw some light on what Fuddy did. She was also convinced his birth record was a genuine entry, with a few minor details (like the maiden name of the mother for example) requiring a little ‘adjustment’.

What is missing in our knowledge can be further pinned down by what it was that Onaka did NOT VERIFY.

The birth announcements and ordering based on geographic registration location are shown below as they appear in the two versions of the newspapers.

Mr. and Mrs. Samuel K. Haas Sr. 849-A 11th Ave. 8/4/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Charles J. Staley 1319 Anapa St. 8/6/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Richard R. Kitson Apt. 11, 1635 Clark St. 8/6/1961
Mr. and Mrs. George P. Ayau Sr. 87-143 Lillana St., Malll 7/31/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Thaddeus J. Raymond 1371 Haloa Drive 7/30/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Robert I. Arakawa 935-B Hausten St., 8/1/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Herbert Y. Takahashi 56 Nanea Ave, Wahiawa 8/2/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Allington K. Brown Maunawill Road, Kallua 8/2/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Cirillo V. Caperto 918 Puuhale Road 8/3/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Samuel L. M. Mokuahi Sr 732 Laukea St. 8/2/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Peter C. Kamealoha Jr. 441 McNeill St. 8/3/1961
Mr. and Mrs. John R. Clifford Sr. 2624 Maunawai Place 8/6/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Edward W. Walker 1660 S. King St., 8/7/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Wallace M. Durkin 3813 Radford Drive 8/7/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Mike M. Nagaishi 2687 Gardenia 8/6/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Glenn E. Earnest 1258 Wilhelmina Rise 8/6/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Edward S. H. Chun 45-440 Akimala St., Kaheohe 8/5/1961
Mr. and Mrs. John R. Waidelich 937 18th Ave. 8/5/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Emmett P. Simpson 2752 Kahiti St. 8/5/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Melvin K. F. Liu 45-548 Keaahala Road, Kaheohe 8/5/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Richard D. Wright 91-939 Kalapu St., Ewa Beach, Ewa 8/5/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy 8/4/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Andrew A. M. Hatchle 2420 Kaululaau St. 8/4/1961
Mr. and Mrs Harry Y.W. Wong 463 Lawelwe St. 8/4/1961
Mr. and Mrs. Ernesto Kim

Note that the announcements are in the exact same order in both papers. Also, notice Obama’s birth registration announcement nearer the bottom of the order in the last group while the birth dates appear to be grouped rather than ordered from the top of the column to the bottom. This indicates they are indeed grouped by geographic registration occurrence as they are received in batches from each branch location by the main Health Department office, as prescribed by the guidelines described in the NVSD report. Otherwise, the birth order would be published based on either alphabetical or chronological order, which they are not, as obviously shown here.

This is an indication that Obama’s birth registration was received by the main office of the Hawaiian Department of Health from a location other than the office used to register births occurring in Kapi’olani.