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To: Publius

RIGHT...

1) Does “A” State exist as a subject of the federal givernment?..

-OR-

2) Does the federal givernment exist as a subject of the States?..


This is indeed the subject at hand... and the real difference between so-called progressives and conservatives..

It was BRILLIANT when the teachers Unions STOPPED teaching civics and american history in public schools -OR- re-wrote the history they DO TEACH... (to hide THIS )..

A convention of the STATES CAN INDEED abrogate anything the federal givernment has or will do... AND abrogate the federal givernment ITSELF...

Meaning ABOLISH... and Re-create it... or even form a CON-federation.. States ARE NOT provinces they are individual governments themselves.. PRIMARY to any confederation.. composed of LOCAL governments even more primary than State government..

Federal givernment is a loose “construct” or “corporation” or “franchise”... of the States.. States will exist whether federal gov’t exists or not.. even if they call themselves by another name..

Government is either “TOP Down” or “Bottom UP”..
The only bottom up government that ever existed is the United States.. Could be..... “once existed”...
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46 posted on 02/08/2014 11:25:50 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe
Your post brings to memory an idea that I heard discussed back in the Eighties, It was called the Utah Option, although I have no idea what connection it has with Utah.

The idea was to amend the Constitution to allow the following.

If the legislatures of three-fourths of the states pass a Resolution of No-Confidence in the federal government, the federal government is declared dissolved, and new elections would be held 30 days after the three-fourths threshold was met. These elections would be for president, vice president, House and all Senate seats, regardless of "class". Once the new government was installed, all members of the federal judiciary would be fired, and the new government would replace them with judges of their choosing.

If we ever get that Amendments Convention, this is the kind of amendment I would like to see proposed.

48 posted on 02/08/2014 11:35:02 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: hosepipe
the federal givernment

A typo, but it sings! That is what it has devolved into.

-PJ

52 posted on 02/08/2014 11:42:42 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: hosepipe; ForGod'sSake; bamahead
Meaning ABOLISH... and Re-create it... or even form a CON-federation.. States ARE NOT provinces they are individual governments themselves.. PRIMARY to any confederation.. composed of LOCAL governments even more primary than State government.

When we hear the word "state" we tend to think of Alabama, Nebraska, Alaska, etc., which isn't really helpful with this debate, but the word is actually synonymous with "nation". The various states were never intended to be mere administrative departments of a fe[de]ral leviathan.

55 posted on 02/08/2014 12:17:38 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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