FYI
The leadership of the Catholic church has always been conservative on social issues, yet VERY liberal on economic policy. I am sick and tired of hearing about “social justice” in Church. Wish the Church would avoid politics altogether.
The real battle is between the Constitution and a Christian forefather people. The Constitution being interpreted that gay marriage is a constitutional right, that freedom overrules religion, sets them on collision.
An interesting and well reasoned article with a lot of inside baseball, which will undoubtedly be reduced to a juvenile exchange of knee-jerk cliches and a Religion Forum cat fight.
“...We have Nancy Pelosi and Andrew Cuomo representing the Left...”
Yea, well any ole wolf can dress itself in sheep’s clothing and call itself a sheep.
Sam Brownback.. is he the supposed pro-life guy that loves Sebelius so much?
I find it highly ironic that the country which HOSTS the official chair of the Roman Church (I know, Vatican City is it’s own state, but that’s just irrelevant nominalism) has swerved so violently Left, both economically and socially, over the decades. You’d think that the ambient influence, and the ubiquitous presence of self-identifying adherents, would be enough to temper the country towards at least a reverent respect for that church’s teaching.
Doesn’t say a lot for Roman Catholicism.
I had read both from Murray and MacIntyre when I was in the seminary. I am more of a philospher, and MacIntyre makes more sense to me because his case is based on the philosphy of St. Thomas Aquinas. It has totally different presuppositions from Murray, who is operating from the Modern Liberal Individualism that was around at the time of the Founding Fathers. This is also why Pope Francis is confusing to Conservatives and Progressives alike here in the US. Francis is operating from a 13th century philosophy, and has different underlying assumptions than any of our current batch of political philosophers and commentators. They are trying to fit Francis into philosophical boxes that do not fit him. The Pope makes perfect, coherent sense to us Thomists.
This fight is local only to the US Catholicism. Worldwide, the three way fight in moral theology between Neo-Thomists, German Jesuits under Karl Rahner, and the French Jesuits pushing Patristic studies, will have a much more lasting effect on Catholicism.
After reading the complete article at the site, I think Saul Alinsky saw his opening int eh radical Catholics group, the ones who think the American founding was a mistake. Or, he was able to drive that theory into their psyches. Obama’s paster,Jeremiah Wright, seems to be of their ilk.
Interesting article. Being raised Baptist, I have come to love the Catholic faith. I’d convert, but it would be chaotic to other family members, and it would not change my state of salvation. I do love Touchstone Magazine and have wanted to order the sister magazine, First Things. I have learned much!