The Two-State Solution is Dead. Long Live What?

ISRAPUNDIT ^ | Jan 18/14 | Ted Belman

[tedbel]

The Two-State Solution is dead. All that remains is for the US to declare it so.

Palestinians leaders and Israeli leaders have made it clear.

In a speech on Jan 10/14, Palestinian Authority (PA) Chairman Mahmoud Abbas made it crystal clear that he would never abandon the “right of return”, would never recognize Israel as a Jewish state and would never make a deal unless East Jerusalem was given to the Palestinians as their capital, all of which cross Israel’s red lines.

When the latest “peace process was getting started, Israeli leaders kept referring to Abbas as a moderate, contrary to the truth, and even referred to him as a partner in peace, also not the truth. No more.

Upon Israel’s release of the third batch of murderers in December and in response to the leaders of the PA celebrating them as heroes, PM Netanyahu said:

"Murderers are not heroes. [..] This is no way to educate toward peace. This is no way to make peace. Peace can be achieved only when the education toward incitement and toward the destruction of Israel is stopped. There will be peace only if our security and settlement interests are ensured. Peace will be established only if we could defend ourselves, by ourselves, against any threat."

In the past week, Netanyahu, Yaalon and Bennett all criticized Abbas.

Netanyahu told VP Biden that recent comments by Abbas were proof that he does not want peace.

Min of Defense Boogie Yaalon said, Mahmoud Abbas “lives on our sword,” “Once we leave Judea and Samaria, he is finished. In fact, throughout the recent months, there is no negotiation between us and the Palestinians – but rather, between us and the Americans. The only thing that can ‘save’ us is that John Kerry will get a Nobel peace

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

Like it or not, Israel has been forced into a position of gradually forcing the Paleos to leave. You cannot live with a crazy person who with every breath swears they will kill you, and that nothing in the world will make them change their sick mind.

Perhaps the easiest way would be to cast everything in terms of expulsion. If Paleos leave for good voluntarily, Israel should be generous to them. And if they attack or break the law, they should be expelled forever. Gaza and the West Bank have one way doors installed.

Whatever is done must be cumulative, and eventually it will result in no more Paleos in Israel, which includes Gaza and the West Bank.

[IndispensableDestiny]

If the one way door fails, line up the bulldozers and push Gaza into the sea.

[marron]

“An almost childlike naiveté is required to entertain the belief that Israel could sustain itself as a Jewish nation-state with a massive Muslim minority of almost 40% – as the societal havoc that far smaller proportions have wrought in Europe indicate.”
Instead, he argues for a “humanitarian solution” which envisages voluntary Arab emigration induced by generous compensation.

This is the reality of it.

There already is a two-state solution. The territory was divided into two pieces, a sliver for the jewish palestinians and the remainder for the arab palestinians. The jewish portion was renamed "Israel" and the arab portion was renamed "Jordan". Thats your two-state solution. Trying to shoe-horn another arab state into the area is a non-starter. It has no basis for an economy separate from Jordan and Israel. No outlet to the world, no markets, no source of trade, nothing that does not rely on Jordan and Israel.

And it is ruled by outlaws who have no interest in building an actual state. That the people in the territory elect these outlaws only makes them complicit in their own misery.

The arabs and their flacks like to claim that a jewish state is racist. In fact, no jew is safe in any arab country anywhere. The jewish people have determined to have a state of their own, on their own historic homeland. If they allow themselves to be outvoted in their own land, they become a hunted minority again.

There are dozens of arab states, dozens of muslim states, and only one jewish state. If they don't defend it they will lose it. Part of defending it is to allow immigration only from people who want to be Israelis and to allow citizenship only for people who want to be Israeli.

[LeoWindhorse]

interesting blog , interesting post , interesting comments . I learned a lot

[DoodleDawg]

Instead, he argues for a “humanitarian solution” which envisages voluntary Arab emigration induced by generous compensation.

What if they don't volunteer to emigrate?

[Georgia Girl 2]

The two state situation is only necessary in the minds of our progressive globalist morons like Kerry and Bam.

If the Fakestianians wanted a state they could have had it back in 1998.

[tet68]

They could have it today, only it’s not the state they
want.

[okie01]

What if they don't volunteer to emigrate?

Cue the bulldozers.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Yes.

Palestine is nothing more than a conglomeration of arabs from neighboring countries like Eqypt mixed in with Hezzbollah and Hamas. Basically Iran and Syria fighting a proxy war on Israel.

Too bad Israel can’t just bulldoze the West Bank and turn it into Disney World Mideast. :-)

[tet68]

Actually I was thinking of taking all the palistinians
from the west bank and moving them to Gaza...

The whole idea of a separated state with some kind of
Palestinian corrigor through the middle of Israel is
insane.

[tet68]

corridor, sorry.

[Georgia Girl 2]

“Actually I was thinking of taking all the palistinians
from the west bank and moving them to Gaza”

Okay by me but Barky wants to move them all here. :-)

[tet68]

I wouldn’t be surprised if he moved half of them to
Maine and half to California with a palestinian
corridor between them, and they can have Washington
for their capital too.

[Little Ray]

There needs to be a “Three State Solution.”

There are no “Palestinians.” There are Jordanian Arabs in the West Bank, and Egyptian Arabs in Gaza. Even if the Jordanians and Egyptian (for good reason) hate and despise them.

Israel needs to send ‘em home and and annex the Golan, West Bank, and Gaza.

[Talisker]

The real problem is the West’s total embracing of Islam as somehow culturally and legally superior. We’re all being sold down the river. Israel’s not the problem - things like Tennessee mega-mosques are the problem.

The West needs to announce that Islam is a totalitarian system, and cut off IMF and all other bank and trade funding to all Muslim states.

In addition, the world needs to deny Islam religious status, and define, once and for all, legal religion as completely excluding any punishment for non-believers.

FInally, children need to be taught that Islam is not equal to other religions, not peaceful, not “okay” and not acceptable - in other words, there needs to be Zero Tolerance for Islam in schools.

I do not believe these things are arguable, in the same way I do not believe the methods necessary to stop a fire are arguable. Thay are either done, and the fire is stopped, or they are not done, and the fire burns down the house.