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To: Nachum; Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

I think she’s referring to this provision that I have read is supposed to be in the bill:
“…if the Government of Israel is compelled to take military action in legitimate self-defense against Iran’s nuclear weapon program, the United States Government should stand with Israel and provide, in accordance with the law of the United States and the constitutional responsibility of Congress to authorize the use of military force, diplomatic, military, and economic support to the Government of Israel in its defense of its territory, people, and existence…”

Question. There are a lot of qualifiers and weasel words in that passage, but notwithstanding: Does this provision cede to the prime minister of another country the authority to send US troops into war? If so, is that even constitutional?

And even if so, Why would Feinstein have a problem with that? It’s not like she has draft-age kids. Maybe grandkids?


32 posted on 01/15/2014 7:06:46 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: Nachum; Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority

Also, I don’t remember the Constitution being a big concern for Feinstein before, so this is a little out of character.


33 posted on 01/15/2014 7:15:08 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

It does not cede any such authority to any other country. It is just political language for a political purpose, basically, and any decision to go to war remains in Wash DC (unfortunately it remains with Obama since Congress has declared its total impotency in all matters of governance)

(We are already bound sixteen times over in alliance to help defend Israel if ever needed, but Obama would never honor that commitment anyway, and as stuck as he is with our longstanding friendship and alliance with Jerusalem, Obama’s been trying his best to subvert Israel’s ability to even defend herself....just look at Kerry’s recent “proposals” to Jerusalem, for goodness’s sakes...!!!!!.. so nothing to fear on that score, either.)

(Meanwhile, Obama keeps mis-using the USAF to defend the Iranian IslamoNazi nuclear missile factories as they crank out as many bombs and ICBMs as they can produce.
And recall please that Obama actually came out and threatened war against any nation that might try to take out this threat. That upset our “Arab friends” even more than Israel!! Because, they know that Iran will take over the gulf oil fields first, even before trying to attack America, Israel, or anyone else. And it worried the Russians, who while they’ve supported Iran for their strategic purposes.. they always figured they could, if necessary, take out any Iranian military threat that might turn back against Mother Russia.... and now they have this new USA threat of war if they ever do it...).

Obama has so “transformed” world defenses ....that every nation (including some of our best long-term allies) is left reeling how to protect itself. Nobody wants to be destabilized or bombed like Obama did (unprovoked, even) to Libya, Egypt, and Syria- still- in- progress, Somalia, Central Africa, etc and etc. Our allies and decent nations everywhere are left to scramble to defend themselves as America has been redirected to, basically and fairly consistently, promote world Islamic terrorism and the expansion of the most radical elements in the Muslim world. (And many Muslims really do not want the most radical Islamicist elements to take over, or be forced into power by America,... in their countries, either, as we saw when the Egyptians somehow managed to toss Obama’s Muslim Brotherhood comrades out of control last year....)

Note also how Obama keeps trying to release Islamic terrorists, whether from Guantanamo, or in Egypt, or in Afghanistan, or in Iraq, or forcing Israel to let some go too, and now in Egypt where he’s been trying to squeeze his Muslim Bros friends back into power again...

the best Islamic terrorist is a free one, free to bomb again and again and again.... it seems....

Some good people have difficulty even assimilating all the damage that’s being done through this radical “transformation of America” on the world stage.

I know I do.

Pray for America (and all the rest of Rock Three, too)...
we have 3 more years of this


35 posted on 01/15/2014 7:30:07 PM PST by faithhopecharity (C)
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To: WilliamIII
As you say a lot of weasel words. “…if the Government of Israel is compelled to take military action in legitimate self-defense against Iran’s nuclear weapon program, the United States Government should stand with Israel and provide,

"should" is not the same as will or must.

37 posted on 01/15/2014 7:51:11 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: WilliamIII

well and good, but that smells like a military pact which needs ratification by the Senate if we are to be obligated by treaty.

not there aren’t reasons to act against Iran, but the executive can’t just obligate us by itself in such a way with such a precedent.

after all it could well be Nicaragua next time an i wouldn’t want to be sending our sons and treasure fighting for the sandinistas.


39 posted on 01/15/2014 8:31:39 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: WilliamIII

There’s no declaration of war, just “should stand with Israel”, a phrase which is always a problem for Judeophobes and other Nazis and skinheads.


45 posted on 01/15/2014 9:15:17 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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