[Lurker]

“Um... you just included many of the Founding Fathers in that.”

Really? The Founding Fathers countenanced torture? Please explain the 8th Amendment then, pastor.

Thanks in advance.

[PastorBooks]

“fascist bible thumpers”

“The Founding Fathers countenanced torture? Please explain the 8th Amendment then, pastor.”

No, not torture! Certainly not.

I was referring to the fact that you just called “bible thumpers” fascist. This country was founded by Bible-believing Christians. Countless tens of thousands of these “Bible thumpers” have given their lives for this country on many battlefields.

Christians deserve the right to have a voice in our nation just as any other group. Calling us “fascist” because we believe in God’s word is... unbelievable.

[ConservativeMind]

“Cruel and unusual punishment” was a relative word, such that only in 1972 did a Supreme Court justice define its guidelines:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruel_and_unusual_punishment

Before the 1890’s, torture was specifically allowed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_and_the_United_States

If a society deems it acceptable, it's neither cruel nor unusual. That's how it was interpreted in the US until then.

So, yes, the US allowed it for a very long time. By the way, have to ever heard of “waterboarding?”

I thought you had, Lurker.