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To: Travis McGee

Our feminized and homosexualized military will be routed.


Gay men are incapable of fighting? Too bad you weren’t around to inform Spartan soldiers of that.


89 posted on 01/04/2014 10:57:59 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

http://conservativetimes.org/?p=7487

The Ancient Spartans were not homosexuals. This is a modern myth. Sparta was a very unique place in the Greek world, and comparisons to the rest of Greece at the time may not be particularly useful. This is not to say that other Greeks were homosexual either. It’s not true either, but there was diversity within the Greek world with regard to sexual mores, as with other aspects of culture. Different thought they were, the Spartans were still thoroughly Greek. When a Spartan male youth was old enough to begin their 13 year long training to become a Spartan soldier (a hoplite) and ultimately a citizen, they were paired with an older partner, a hoplite solder who had already successful completed their training. This was, I think, around the age of eight. This was to become the most important relationship in the lives of both partners. The older partner served as a mentor to the younger, encouraging them in their training. The two would also fight side by side in the Spartan phalanx in battle, the older providing an example of skill and courage the younger sought to emulate while the younger strive to earn the respect of the other partner. It was expected that this relationship would have a sexual aspect, but it was certainly not what we today would consider homosexual or pedophilia. First, the sex probably took place when the youth was in puberty and becoming aware of themselves sexually and the sex would have occurred in the context of simply learning the physical mechanics of sex. Second, it was inter-femoral sex, ie. “between the legs.” The Ancient Greeks actually regarded anal sex as; well, nasty, for obvious reasons. The Greeks, like the Romans, were fanatical about personal hygene. Someone on the receiving end of anal sex would have been viewed as dishonorable (a slave, for example) and this was not something that the Spartans would have wanted to instill in their future warriors. In fact, most sex discussed in the ancient world (Greeks and Romans) between men and boys was inter-femoral, although not all. Third, when the time came, the role of the older was to find a wife for the younger partner. Obviously, this is not modern homosexuality but something very unique and peculiar to Spartan society in Ancient Greece and it served to heighten the bond between two men who would fight together in the heat of battle. In fact, it symbolizes the degree to which the Ancient Greeks so elevated the masculine over the feminine that it took a man to instruct a man in every area of life. The masculine virtues of reason, courage and fortitude were celebrated as supreme and the feminine vices of emotion, frightfulness and sensuality were shunned. Far from being modern, effeminate homosexuals, the Ancient Greeks, were the ultimate “manly” men, almost to the point of misogyny.


92 posted on 01/04/2014 11:24:44 AM PST by NKP_Vet ("Rather than love, than money, than fame, then give truth" ~ Henry David Thoreau)
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To: chessplayer

If you could magically be transferred back to ancient Sparta, I would love to see what would happen if you called a Spartan Hoplite a homosexual.

They also did not run around dressed like pro wrestlers either.


94 posted on 01/04/2014 11:49:28 AM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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