OK, I’ll take one last opportunity to explain myself and shine the light as brightly as I can such that even a blind man can see it. Although those whom are simply stubborn and determined to remain willfully blind will never see the light shining right in their face. So here it goes:
1. I do not care about making friends. It is more important to be right and correct. As Orwell said, “the further people move from the truth, the more they will hate those who speak it”. You and your friends seem to have fallen into that trap. Being right and correct in our assumptions and strategies, based upon logic and historical precedent is what will win in any kind of conflict. I have worked around the world on 5 different continents in 40 or so different countries through the years with many people I do not like or respect on a personal level, and visa versa I am sure, but yet was able to work effectively to accomplish whatever goals we were being directed and paid to accomplish. If this little tidbit doesn’t give me away to you nothing ever will because you’re determined not to see.
2. You and your alter-ego have consistently tried to make the case that this is the time for an armed resistance. I have destroyed IMHO those arguments using logic and historical precedent. You just said that you agreed with 95% of what I said in post 50, which was but one synopsis of my argument against an armed conflict at this time. That suggests you believe I am right, yet you claim that you would throw the baby out with the bath water because you don’t like me. How short-sighted your own words prove you to be.
3. Number 2 above is the basis for my assumption that you and your alter ego would ignore facts and proper strategy because you don’t like the messenger. There is much historical evidence proving that ignoring the correct message from sources you dislike is not a winning strategy.
4. One needs only to read the history of the decisions by the leaders on the losing side in almost any war fought throughout history for confirmation of #3. For instance: Hitler hated his Prussian trained Generals. The Generals who had spent a lifetime studying and waging war begged Hitler, the Bohemian Corporal as they referred to him, not to attempt to fight a two front war as they had in WW I, and he ignored them and Germany was crushed, again. Tojo hated Yamamoto, he ignored his warnings and attacked the US and Japan was crushed. Napoleon believed his judgment to be superior than the collective judgment of his generals and was advised by them that Waterloo was the wrong place to fight, he ignored them and was crushed. Darius III at Gaugamela was advised not to move his cavalry and chariots to mirror Alexander the Great’s movements, that they were a deception, Darius III ignored their advice and the Persian Empire was crushed. Do you need anymore historical examples? They are plentiful.
5. I have spent much time teasing and baiting you into the responses that I, unfortunately, expected. I have also posted some absurdities to show the absurdity of your points, because it became obvious that logic did not work with you hence the change in tactics. Much of what I have said, including the bit about God using me to send a message to you, was said very obviously tongue in cheek and yet you still took the bait and considered it a serious remark.
6. My point in all of this is that the next civil war will take much more mental toughness, patience, guile and finesse to win than you and your alter ego tend to display. In fact neither of you show any sign that you understand that fact. You have exposed your lack of mental toughness by constantly engaging the obvious absurdities rather than the substance of the message.
7. You have stated on several occasions that I was mocking your faith, Christianity, despite the fact that I have on many occasions explained that I was mocking you, not the Christian faith, to which I subscribe as a baptized Catholic. Why would I lie about that? I have no reason to lie to you since I don’t care whether you like me or not.
8. 6 and 7 make the point that you are easily distracted by innocuous crap, which in turn means that any conflict you start is doomed to failure. Your own words and choices to which you respond have made it obvious that you are susceptible to any and all deceptions, even the most obvious. And believe me, many deceptions, both strategic and tactical in nature will be part of any battle plan by the forces arrayed against you, and you will again play right into the hands of your enemies in any armed conflict or otherwise. I, with your help, have proven this easily time and again with the problem being that even with all these obvious examples you still will not acknowledge this basic proven fact.
9. Another rule to remember about conflict, and I think this goes back to Sun Tzu, “no plan survives first contact with the enemy”. You would do well to heed that lesson, which to this point you have not. And I refer here to, amongst other things, the obvious psyops being deployed against all of the American people. Some of us recognize them and understand the result the enemy wants to effect, and, obviously, you don’t. Also the ability to prepare for several different contingencies with the ability to pivot at a moments notice to a different plan when the opportunity arises is another skill set you seem to lack. I don’t believe, based upon your responses that either of you have such ability and that will doom you to failure probably before or very shortly after you fire your first shot in any resistance you try to mount.
10. Again, I do not care about being friends, I care about only one thing and that is defeating my enemies i.e., the enemies of the Constitution, and restoring the Republic the Founders left in our care. When asked by a woman what form of government we had, Ben Franklin responded, “A Republic Madam, if you can keep it”. Think about that.
11. I am fighting today’s civil war on the battlefield on which it is actually, at this time, being fought, that being the political and cultural battlefield. I also know and understand, as an absolute fact, that if we try to fight it as an armed conflict at a time and on a battlefield that is not yet prepared, and that the people are not ready to support, it is doomed to failure. And this is where mental toughness and patience come into the equation. The fact that you do not understand this, and I have made this very point several times and that you continue to ignore it is all one needs to know about where you and your friends are coming from. I suspect you see yourselves as a new Timothy Mc Veigh, he was an amateur and a dolt, not a hero; He did not even understand the very basics of what made for an effective resistance and where he and his friends are now, prove it beyond any standard. He was deluded and believed that if he struck a blow against the Government by killing innocent people who happened to be in the employ of the IRS, that the people would then rally round him. How amazingly short-sighted and profoundly wrong he was, as history proves. And yet you and your friends propose the same course of action.
12. As I have stated previously, patience is a virtue, especially in a conflict like the one now playing out. The ability to separate the wheat from the chaff, and to pick the winning messages and strategies and the ability to recognize deception, even when the info allowing such judgments come from sources you might dislike is what makes the difference between victory and defeat.
13. You and your friends do not seem to have even a basic understanding of the military/strategic/tactical/leadership principles of which I have spoken and alluded too in all these posts; hence my previous statement that you’re a nobody who has seen and done nothing in the world. For if you had you would not ignore what I have said and you would not have so easily been baited by my other obviously innocuous statements.
14. So, take my advice for whatever it is worth to you, and realize that if you go ahead with your armed resistance now, you will end up like Mc Veigh or at Gitmo faster than you can even imagine, and you will make it impossible for those of us pursuing strategies to restore our Republic, that can win in the long run, next to impossible because you and the others will be branded as right wing traitors and all of us whom want to restore the Republic will be lumped right in with you and the masses of people will be propagandized to believe we are all like you. If this fact is not obvious to you I have no idea what might be.
15. As I’ve demonstrated here, others throughout history have ignored good and salient advice, remained stubborn and not learned the lessons of history, thus they lost because they subordinated logic to their emotion and personal ambition. Think about it, deeper than you usually think about things and maybe the simple logic I’ve spent many posts trying to get through your thick skull will finally be acknowledged. Although I suspect it won’t.
So let's see where we might agree in principle as opposed to tactics - and perhaps you might understand a bit more where we are coming from rather than making yourself an adversary.
I want to start in what you wrote in post 50 - perhaps you may understand where I am coming from based on my agreements with your assessments made there.
The Boston Massacre were the real first shots of the Revolution but history still records them as Lexington and Concorde 6 years later. Had the Founders started the Revolution openly in 1770 it would have been lost and we’d still be a British Colonials. History records Fort Sumter as the beginning of the Civil War; first shots fired by the Confederacy, they lost. The Germans fired the first shots of WWI and along with Japan WWII, they lost. Getting the picture yet. There may come the time when force of arms is necessary but it is not here yet.
Absolutely historically correct. The model for any successful resistance to tyranny that will be blessed by God is already evident in the histories you cited. I do not advocate marching on D.C. or firing any first shots. Recall that even at Lexington Green the Minutemen were told to wait until fired upon, and only until they could see their enemies' faces clearly.
If you start something now under the banner of Remember Waco or Ruby Ridge, you will considered terrorists by the masses, not freedom fighters and we will lose any possibility of ever restoring the Constitution by any means.
It is important to have moral justification for a righteous cause. That being said - understand that this enemy ruling us has already demonstrated that they and their media will label anyone who even opposes them on ideological grounds as a terrorist. (i.e.: April 2009 DHS Terror Assessment). The MarxoFascists are desperate for an incident to justify their years'-long demonization of their opposition.
there is a civil war raging right this very minute. But it is being fought, now, on the political and cultural battlefield. If you take it to the next level before that has played out completely we will lose because most people do not even remember Waco and Ruby Ridge.
I agree to a point - the truth is that we have already lost the cultural and political battlefield. I lived in Cook County - I know how the Machine works. That has gone national - and they do not even bother masquerading their corruption any longer. We saw our last 'honest' national election in 2008. We have now gone Soviet. That became self-evident to me last year.
That said - I think that 'waiting until it has fully played-out' will result in what people like Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn or the Jews suffered 70 plus years ago in Europe. That does not mean I'm advocating marches on D.C. What that means is, this people better be prepared for where the ideology now ruling us will go next.
The psyops that are being played right now against the American people by the obama regime are designed to do exactly what you seem to propose. Which, by the way, would give obama and the tyrants just the excuse they’re looking for to declare martial law.
Exactly correct. Every Marxist dictatorship and regime come to power REQUIRES bloodshed and it's political enemies showcased to be a dangerous threat to the average citizen. We are however, in a catch-22 - the regime can and will probably manufacture a Reichstag event to give them the justification to do what they have been attempting to do via all the other mass shootings in the last number of years: pin them on Conservatives. I expect that will be the case given what they have already attempted to do with everything from Benghazi to ObamaCare's failure.
And at this point it is likely a vast majority of the population would support giving away their Liberty for perceived security. You don’t seem to understand that or you simply will not acknowledge it.
100% agreement. The photos from CT last week verify this assessment with perfect clarity.
Patience is a virtue. If the government is seen as the aggressor then a size-able plurality of the population, and the military following their oath, would be on the side of the Constitutionalists and would oppose any move towards suspension of Habeus Corpus, and would likely support those standing for the Constitution. Get it.
Agreed, however the tightrope danger is that patience can be a vice and exploited for the enemy to consolidate and prepare offenses against us.
I do not believe the military will save us. It also is being fundamentally transformed, those who hold to their oaths being drummed out - Christianity being expunged from exercise, social engineering and abandonment by the Executive. A military separated from biblical morals is a military that can do horrifying things at the request of it's leaders.
What I warn, is that most who urge 'patience', are those who would not advocate prepping for anything beyond getting their candidates into office. Those whom assert this system we had is infallible and still viable. That simply voting for Republicans will save us. Even Mark Levin acknowledges that we are beyond the point of elections to stop the tyranny in Washington.
Those people are giving up their weapons and Liberties willingly, that’s their decision, thus they cannot be helped and they are not worth making a stand for if they themselves won’t take a stand why would anyone choose to shed blood for them?
History is repeating. I have in-laws that were part of Hitler's youth - they describe these exact types of situations happening in the mid-30's in Germany - and that is how the Nazis were able to take total power. Registration for everything was commonplace he said. You had to register your family, your guns, your property etc. Once the fear spreads they say - everyone who used to speak out against the insanity of what the Nazis were preaching went silent out of fear. Everyone complied with the dictates - and no one was able to trust anyone with anything anymore. Nazism was popular in the cities and spread like a disease, slowly at first - to the countryside where it eventually engulfed everyone because there were few left willing to make any stand against them.
The problem is you sound just like the tyrants at the leftist sites whom just want an echo chamber with 100% compliance of opinion.
No, you knee jerked and accused that of which we perceive yourself to be doing.
If you don’t like my opinion, fine, I have no problem with that, but you take it step further by insinuating that because you disagree with me that I should go elsewhere or just shut up and give up my 1st Amendment rights willingly
I never suggested such a thing. It's not your opinion in whole we disagreed, it was your statement that if we want to prevent tyranny and civil war, that that ballot box is our only hope. I think we are far past that stage of redress. I have no faith in this entire government, it has been corrupted. I have no faith in the electoral system, that too has been corrupted. We have no voice or representation in Washington save one or two who are not yet corrupted.
We are where the Colonists were in the early-to-mid 1700s. Petitioning the king and parliament was simply met with further insult. We're in the same boat.
Where I think we have arrived, is at the tactical point of mass disobedience, refusal and non-compliance with dictates, "laws" and programs coming from the Feds.
That will be declared to be sedition and treason. But I submit resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. We do not need to fire any first shot. We simply need to be defiant and tyrants will do what tyrants have always done to those who dare oppose them.
THEN they will have made that last mistake.
THEN we will have the moral justification to wage war in defense of ourselves.
I do not care about making friends. It is more important to be right and correct.
I can appreciate that. I too can care less about making friends when the issues and principles are more important than consensus.
Being right and correct in our assumptions and strategies, based upon logic and historical precedent is what will win in any kind of conflict.
You state you were in the military. As such, you left out one important ingredient in your equation: knowing the enemy, of which historical precedents by those same ideologies is also key. You cannot reason with the unreasonable. neither can you expect honesty from the dishonest. The MarxoFascist ("Progressive") movement in alliance with the Ruling Class in Washington are neither reasonable or honest. The institutions they control and influence, cannot be trusted and I contend it is too late for the ballot box to correct where we have gone wrong in this nation.
Narcissists and egomaniacal tyrants are easily provoked into revealing what they really are and intend to do. All we have to do, is defy them, refuse compliance and harm the efforts of the imposition of tyranny. Then they will move to impose their will by force.
Then we will be justified to resist.
And this the MarxoFascists are expecting. They are preparing for it. So should we.
You and your alter-ego have consistently tried to make the case that this is the time for an armed resistance.
I've said no such thing. All I have stated is that it is much later than you think if the ballot box is your solution to stop where we have arrived in terms of the imposition of tyranny. Tyranny is here, and consolidating itself.
I'll hold on responding to the rest of your comments pending whether or not what I've written in agreement with you thusfar along with explanations of where I differ will result in yet more insults, condescension, ridicule and mockery from you.
Let's see if you are indeed a sow, or if I can admit being wrong in assessing you based on your replies to me in this thread.
I'm not your enemy, unless you choose to make me such.