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The Hottest Electric Vehicles Leave Winter Drivers Out in the Cold
The Daily Caller ^ | 12/14/13 | Giuseppe Macri

Posted on 12/14/2013 3:59:04 PM PST by chiller

Engineering breakthroughs like the Tesla Model S may be burning up the electric car market (figuratively and literally), but they’re leaving drivers cold and under-powered in the face of Old Man Winter.

Cold temperatures have adverse effects on batteries, slowing down the incoming and outgoing flow of energy and inevitably losing some in the process. The 250-mile average range of an electric car in normal climate conditions can see its performance reduced by 70-miles on a single charge in average winter conditions. The colder it gets, the shorter than range.

Not only that, the average winter driver tends to turn up the heat — a function that also puts a draw on the battery uncommon during other seasons.

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To: alloysteel
My 29 Ford has one.

As a little kid, I remember seeing snow flakes blowing in through the cutout for the heater. Not much heat there. Lol.

My old VW Karman Ghia had a heat exchanger heater. Pretty useless. I had an ice scraper for the INSIDE of the windshield and a “VW coat.” The coat was a down hunting jacket good to “20 below.” The car always started, though. Even in the coldest of temps.

There ya go... ya got me reminiscing.

41 posted on 12/14/2013 4:39:30 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Covenantor

Natural gas.


42 posted on 12/14/2013 4:40:55 PM PST by Reaganez
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To: Greysard

How about firing up that gas guzzler SUV and problem solved!


43 posted on 12/14/2013 4:41:15 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Reaganez
"Money to fuel my car does not bolster the international price of oil and get filtered to Iran, Russia, Venezuela, and Al Qaeda. "

At least you didn't claim the energy required to create the electricity needed to fuel your Tesla is free.

And, as of 2013, we're exporting oil, not importing.

44 posted on 12/14/2013 4:41:39 PM PST by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: Reaganez

>> “Money to fuel my car does not bolster the international price of oil and get filtered to Iran, Russia, Venezuela, and Al Qaeda.” <<

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You couldn’t possibly be more wrong.

All forms of electric generation are inefficient.

Electric transmission is very inefficient.

Most utilities use some type of fossil fuel to generate electricity. It takes more of that fossil fuel to get the energy to your car than it would take to simply burn the fuel in the car’s IC engine to create the motive force.

Those are the facts and they are not going away.

Your mode of self-gratifying transit is a disaster for the world.


45 posted on 12/14/2013 4:43:06 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: chiller

Are you nuts?

Yes, Alaska exports a lot of oil to Japan and to China.

Sometimes we even export to Mexico.

But the USA is a net importer of Oil. 50% of our oil as of last month was imported. And the prices are not determined domestically.


46 posted on 12/14/2013 4:45:48 PM PST by Reaganez
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To: chiller
What's the other hot electric, aside from Tesla ? Hugh Hewitt's fill-in host, and Congressman from SoCal, John Campbell bought one and swears by it. That was before they started exploding.

What's the name..... K something or other.

47 posted on 12/14/2013 4:47:46 PM PST by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: Reaganez

The US has been a net exporter for all of 2013 added up.


48 posted on 12/14/2013 4:48:55 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

You could not possibly be more wrong.

I fill my battery pack with $10 and get about 275 miles on average. And my local utility makes money.

A typical luxury sedan takes $85 of gas to do that.

A 4 cycle compact would take about $40 in gas.

The proof is in the pudding.


49 posted on 12/14/2013 4:49:33 PM PST by Reaganez
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To: Reaganez
The southern leg of the Keystone has begun to flow, so that's 100% domestic as the Canada leg isn't complete.

Oil shale...or haven't you heard.

50 posted on 12/14/2013 4:50:38 PM PST by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: chiller

Postal delivery trucks in Fairbanks have an additional propane powered heater due to the fact of the cold,often colder than -40F, window has be open for delivery a lot.
Other than its just a plain stupid idea even operating an electric car in the cold there is the option of fabricating a camping heater, I know I could as I fabricate stuff like this all the time.
Now my 2012 Chevy Equinox has a 2.4 Direct Injected engine, Flex Fuel, E85 compatible, and that little engine cranks out a TON of heat, even last week when I saw -17F it was so efficient I had to constantly turn it down.

I would not mind owning a Tesla sports car but like my motorcycles I ride them seasonally only in Alaska, same for the electric, its only good in temperate weather periods. Which means its only good for about 4 months of the year.


51 posted on 12/14/2013 4:52:50 PM PST by Spartan302 (Spartans never quit, they come back later with more warriors. Asymmetrical Warfare.)
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To: editor-surveyor

The US is not a net exporter of oil.

And current projections by the oil industry is that this oil boom will last about 10 years. And then begin a dramatic drop.

This surge is only possible if oil remains in the $75-$100 range. If it drops much below that they are not profitable and wells are capped.


52 posted on 12/14/2013 4:52:59 PM PST by Reaganez
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To: Reaganez

You’re insane!


53 posted on 12/14/2013 4:53:14 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: chiller

I would suggest a coal stove myself.


54 posted on 12/14/2013 4:55:19 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: dhs12345
i had a real German VW where the heater ran off of the gas tank... used to scare the hell out of me
55 posted on 12/14/2013 4:57:05 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: editor-surveyor

You are absolutely ignorant.

Last month US oil production topped imports for the first time in generations. Just barely, that means for the month 50.000001% of the oil used in the USA was domestic and 49.99999999 was imported.

That does not mean we are a net exporter.


56 posted on 12/14/2013 4:57:42 PM PST by Reaganez
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To: Reaganez

The US is a net exporter of fossil fuel.

That includes natural gas, of which we are about to become the world’s largest source.

You are in the dark.


57 posted on 12/14/2013 4:57:48 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Reaganez
"The US is not a net exporter of oil."

I could be mistaken, but oil shale production has clearly made US an exporter of energy. Lots of natural gas.

I do believe the oil exports also exceed imports. The Saudi's know it, and don't like it.

58 posted on 12/14/2013 5:00:39 PM PST by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: Reaganez
Money to fuel my car does not bolster the international price of oil and get filtered to Iran, Russia, Venezuela, and Al Qaeda.

And where does your electricity come form, the juice fairy? Sheesh

59 posted on 12/14/2013 5:03:07 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: editor-surveyor

Yes, the US is a net exporter of natural gas and coal.

Gas powered cars do not run on natural gas or coal.

Electric cars do.

Americans should buy cars powered by natural gas and coal.

The fuel we have in abundance.

Not oil. Not oil derived gas that we have to import whose price is largely determined by America’s enemies.


60 posted on 12/14/2013 5:03:17 PM PST by Reaganez
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