Posted on 12/13/2013 9:51:29 AM PST by kobald
You make a good point. In my early 20’s, before I was a Christian, I came to be pro life based on the biological fact of what an abortion was ..which is, without a doubt, the killing of a baby. This is how we can win this issue ..with biological fact .even among those who will never come to faith. And we need their votes!
Becoming a Christian certainly strengthened this in me - but no Huckatorum spouting self righteousness is what made the sale. Truth did! Logic did! We can make intellectually devatating cases on almost all social conservative issues .while emphasizing the proper role of secular government, which is LIMITED!!!
Exactly.
“I definitely agree this generation is extremely pro same-sex marriage”
Ted Cruz will win in a landside, if he can get past the RINO backstabbing of conservatives.
Exactly right. And those who "tolerate" anything on earth except morality are the victors if we let this definition continue to go unchallenged.
LOL, you must be joking.
There is only one side in this war using coercion, and it ain't the "social conservatives."
Thanks forthe help, noob, but you and the National Journal are full of shit.
Huckabee wasn’t a thorough social or fiscal conservative. He believed in that “compassionate conservatism” (which redistributes wealth from the earners to the parasites), and lets convicted murderers go free to murder again. He was no conservative, not what I have always considered to be conservative. Strong on law and order, always balanced with our God-given rights for the non-criminal, and strong on allowing the earners to keep what they make.
You can have economic and fiscal conservatism without social conservatism it’s just not as sound of a philosophy without the social aspect - and does not function as well. There are also non governmental ways to inject social conservatism into society .and pro liberty stances protect those other avenues .
There’s no need to be absolutist for the sake of being absolutist.
What fiasco?
Currently we are fairly devoid of leaders with long-standing Christian values -- and we are being led around by a bunch of people who put their fingers in the air and go after what they think will make them popular today.
This is from the National Journal, which is not conservtive in any fashion.
You are correct, but Huckabee is considered by many on the relgious right and the secular left .as “conservative” for one reason and one reason only: he beat the drums of abortion and gay marriage over and over and over and over ..
And that’s the point. He is really a pro life lib.
“True. Ultimately, social conservatives need to recognized that social goals must be achieved through social means (i.e. persuasion) rather than political means (i.e. coercion). “
Jeremiah 5:30-31 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
Yeah. No.
We had a governor here in PA back in the 1990’s who was Pro Choice on abortion (his health department didn’t inspect the clinic of Dr. Kermit Gosnell, convicted on many charges including death of a patient earlier this year).
Tom Ridge was packaged by his supporters as a “fiscal conservative”.
He raised the gasoline tax and other taxes (”fees” for licenses).
Then in 2001 right before he went to Homeland Security in Washington, Ridge signed off on a big pension hike for legislators, state employees and school employees.
The costs of that are enormous.
I view those who sell themselves as “fiscal conservatives”
liberals hiding behind a label they think will get them some conservative votes to win an election.
YOu over reacted to kobold and made a straw argument ...
And the sodomites have undermined the democratic process by using the courts to advance their agenda. They have actually spit in the face of the majority who didn’t support them, and our republic, by usimg liberal judges to get what they want. After they win through the courts, they lie claiming popular support, and the sheeple fall for it, because they all want to be on the hip, “winning” side.
You are conflating two issues .Ridge was not a fiscal conservative, he was a liar. There’s a difference.
I don't do anything just for the sake of it; life here in God's creation has proven me wrong about a great many things, and proven me right about many more.
I just don't deny what I've learned.
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