Posted on 12/13/2013 2:57:59 AM PST by markomalley
half the cost, mostly due to regulations and taxes
So the costs of living in a particular country have nothing to do with the costs of production?
yeah we know which side you stand on.
So, what happens when a U.S. company offshores production to another country, again?
I’m sick of buying crap from China. Every damn thing is from there now. They OWN US!
Cost of living does, but your comparison was faulty….as was your assumption on the reasons the total costs of labor were so high……I mean, you just tried to connect dots that do not connect.
I realize logic is not your thing…..
Ok you are unable to find any wrong with China, ChiComs or Chinese world ambitions, duly noted. Your Chinese handlers will be pleased perhaps you will get a bonus.
My point was, and I knew this would be over your head, is that there is no more evidence I am pro Chinese than there is that you surf gay porn.
I was demonstrating absurdity by being absurd, but sine you are absurd, you missed it.
There is nothing about China I like or condone, period. And again, American Free Trade is NOT a China only issue. You have an obsession that clearly requires meds or counseling.
“The only way to bring back American jobs is to act more like the Chinas of the world.”
Pretty much. What’s your plan?
aww you have realized the weakness of your argument and have resorted to insult. thats soo cute
Speaking from experience, answering c_v’s loyalty question is meaningless. He’ll only ask it again in a few weeks when his panties get bunched.
Be specific.
The jobs and money leave the US.
perhaps you havent noticed.
Noting is pretty specific.
Or everything, from the other perspective, is perhaps moreso.
The burdne of proof is on you here sissyboi.
I figured something like that would happen when I bought the Audi. But AWD, 2.7L turbos were rather thin on the ground here. I’m happy with my purchase.
I guess if we make the air toxic we won’t have to worry about unemployment. The Chinese themselves have admitted that environmental degradation cost them almost 4% of their GDP every year. If you want to live in the Chinese system so bad, I suggest you move there.
Funny how close in ship-to-ship weapons are still relevant in an age of stand-off naval operations.
It appears Cowpens has a 3 to 5 inch gun. That means if you want to sink the Chinese ship, you are likely looking at torpedoes.
Crazy stuff.
Why is labor any different than goods and services? Doesn't a proponent of "free trade" also support the free movement of labor?
But as for the US trade policy? No, it cannot address those other problems you mentioned, not without clumsy central planning that picks rife with unintended and bad consequences to our own people, including the stunting of technology.
So you would not condition our trade with a country that uses slave/prison labor or children to produce exports to this country? Do you support trade sanctions on countries to influence their political behavior? Should US trade policy be "neutral" in terms of how it is used, i.e., kept separate from political, cultural, moral, environmental and other interests?
For example, we should not blame Apple or China for the fact that almost all of Apple’s products are made in China. Why? Because it’s American liberalism that caused it….not Apples’ greed. As for the conditions in China that make it attractive? Sorry, not something our elected officials can change. We just can’t.
There is no doubt that China can provide a more welcoming business environment free from such restrictions as the use of child labor, OSHA standards, environmental regulations, taxes, government subsidies, etc. How far should the US go towards replicating such an environment in the interest of businesses?
I have a real problem with the crony capitalism that has developed in this country. Government (federal, state, and local) controls over 40% of our GDP. Government decides who will be the winners and losers thru the allocation of funds, laws, regulations, etc. and corporations return the favor thru political contributions and support of the regime in charge. Right now, business is placing immense pressure on the political class to support an amnesty, an almost tripling of our permanent legal immigration over the next 10 years and a doubling of our guest worker programs. All at a time when over 20 million American are unemployed or underemployed.
Eisenhower spoke about how the the military-industrial complex posed a threat to this country. I would expand that to the corporate elite who increasingly have less and less allegiance to this country. They can go anywhere on the globe to conduct their operations and are increasingly doing so. The question is who is looking out for the welfare of the Republic and the American people?
Interesting that you should mention it . . . Milton Friedman (as an intellectual exercise) argued that free movement of labor across borders would be possible if things like the social safety net were equal. (Thus preventing people from hopping borders in search of freebies).
Apart from that, your rhetorical (I hope) question betrays a level of ignorance about free markets that is disturbing.
I agree with some of what you said, but I don’t agree with some of your other assertions. And NO - I do NOT agree that free trade is the same as having a borderless world….not at all.
The idea of free trade is that people and countries who might despise each other can still enter into relationships that benefit people who will not ever meet each other….which is totally different from a borderless society….totally.
I also agree that some trade agreements are related to cronyism, but my contention is that free trade is good, but that doesn’t mean all trade agreements are good. Cronyism in all aspects is awful and destructive, but cronyism would only become more rampant under more restrictive trade agreements, because by definition there would be more preordained winners and losers.
As for Apple, that company greatly improves the lives of those who work there in China, while improving the lives of their customers world wide. They did not create the awful conditions in China, and cannot be held responsible for them…..their situation is as win win…..and again, the only “loser” is potential US jobs, but that’s due to US policies.
It is an imperfect world, and freer trade is better for more people than less free trade. But nothing is utopia, and things only get worse when we try to find utopia.
The labor component is important if you decimate the jobs of the middle class who are the biggest consumers. Depressing wages will not help consumers in this country. And when you eliminate jobs, you put more people on the dole. The welfare state is quite advanced in the US. Replacing low skilled Americans with low skilled immigrants who work for lower wages does not help the country. We are getting ready to do the same thing with skilled labor.
It used to be that we needed more immigrants to do work Americans won't do. Now we also need them to do jobs Americans can't do. We have 90 million Americans of working age (16-64) who are not in the work force.
You need to go listen to Milton Friedman on “the pencil.”
I have seen and heard it many times. FYI: Milton Friedman said, ""You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state."
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