[cizinec]

You lose the moral high ground as soon as you profit from civil forfeiture (theft). This happens all over the country in almost all police departments. The police have conducted no-knock raids on wrong houses, have begun using “tower dumps” to collect information on all mobile phone traffic in an area without warrants, used grenades in wrong houses that have killed those who they were supposed to protect and serve, have been caught shoving over pedestrians in New York, in Dallas caught planting fake evidence for decades before they are finally brought to justice thanks to the work of groups OUTSIDE the police, etc. etc. etc.

My dad was a cop in the 1970s. He knows Jiu-Jitsu well enough to still give me a run for my money. He quit when the new guys weren't required to learn anything. He doesn't trust the local PD. Considering the above, why should we? You violate our rights by spying on us, invade our homes without warrants and steal our property, all for *our* own good. Now a kid gets shot and OOPS the camera was off. Excuse me if I don't believe an organization that holds itself above the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God.

[Cap'n Crunch]

I served with a lot of cops from the 70’s. And I know what a lot of them did, because they told me. They got away with it because there weren’t cameras everywhere like there are today. I love it when people wax nostalgic about ‘old time’ cops. If they only knew.

Does the name Serpico mean anything to you?

I don’t know what you mean by ‘he quit when the new guys weren’t required to learn anything.’ Cops today are required to have more training and certification than ever before. Many departments won’t hire you unless you have a college degree. They are scrutinized more than ever before. I know, I’ve been doing it for awhile.

You point out all this wrongdoing by police departments. I won’t deny that there has been wrongdoing. A lot of cops go to prison for some of those things as well.

What your pointing out has nothing to do with militarization.