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To: Hieronymus

...which in English may also be called charity, and, it seems, socialism.


Charity is where one voluntarily gives of the fruit of their labor to help others. Socialism is where the government redistibutes the wealth of those that give to the government to whom it sees fit. And the giving to the government is not voluntary. The government collects via the power of the gun. that short circuits the whole law of giving and receiving as described in the bible.

And I did not say the choices were fear and greed. They are fear of a negative outcome vs desire for a positive outcome. But many interpret the latter, when judging the motives of others, as greed.


215 posted on 11/27/2013 10:54:53 PM PST by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

Charity is where one voluntarily gives of the fruit of their labor to help others. Socialism is where the government redistibutes the wealth of those that give to the government to whom it sees fit. And the giving to the government is not voluntary. The government collects via the power of the gun. that short circuits the whole law of giving and receiving as described in the bible.


I agree pretty well completely with all the distinctions that you make—in fact, I made them in a less articulate manner in post 71. Where precisely in the document does the Pope say that the government ought to redistribute wealth by force?

A system that at least was present in the U.S. but is not, unfortunately, in Canada, that strikes a happy medium is progressive taxation coupled with very heavy tax breaks—yes, if one makes a lot and chooses not to give anything then the government will take something, but if one may opt to donate to the designated charity of one’s choice instead.

This makes the manner of distribution entirely voluntary while providing a certain check on the endless (in the sense of done to no final purpose) accumulation of wealth.


Your point regarding a misperception of a healthy desire as greed is well made. Yet, I would also note that given our fallen nature, sorting out a healthy desire for a positive outcome and an unhealthy desire for a positive outcome, as well as what is actually a positive outcome, is very complex.


231 posted on 11/28/2013 4:52:32 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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