“Upton’s bill is only for the individual plans. What does his bill do for the massive Employer plans that are going to get cancelled next year?”
Uptons bill allows ANYONE to buy catastrophic-type plans, wether they were previous purchasers off the individual market or not. That would mean all Emp-Plans that were cancelled would see t heir employees be able to buy old “junk” plans and ensure next to no one lands on the exchanges (which will ensure the dwath spiral)
Like I said, there is not 1 single negative about this bill... but everyone here os ranting against it... why?
Those plans are going to magically come into existence under these uncertain times and with Obamacare still in effect, how?
wether they were previous purchasers off the individual market or not.
Please read the points I've made throughout the thread.
That would mean all Emp-Plans that were cancelled would see t heir employees be able to buy old “junk” plans and ensure next to no one lands on the exchanges (which will ensure the dwath spiral)
The Employer Plans have not been cancelled yet because Barry waived his wand and extended them to Jan 1 2015. But you're missing my points:
- Individual plans that have been cancelled are DEAD. They are not coming back.
- Uptown Girl's bill does nothing but gives the Dims a life jacket, because the state insurance commissioners and the insurance companies are not obligated to re-instate the plans. So Dims are going to say the Republicans are in the pockets of the evil insurance companies and Dims will control D.C. just like they did in Barry's first 2 years.
- Uptown Girl's bill doesn't take into account the roiling uncertainty that is happening right now in (what's left of) the healthcare market. So any proposal that passes is negligible because Obamacare is still the law.
- The Employer plans are going to get cancelled en masse next fall and RINO pukes like Upton is clearly ignoring the Kraken that will be unleashed. Nobody is talking about the Employer plans.
“everyone here is ranting against it... why?”
Everyone wants the demise of this horrible o care and horrible situation it has caused for millions of people with harm for tens and hundreds of millions to come.
Opinions regarding tactics may differ.
The Upton bill accomplished the following:
1. Caused panic amongst a significant number of Democrats in the House who would have to vote for it, or go on record as opposing “if you like your policy you can keep it”.
2. Led O to conclude he had to do something, hence his “painful to watch” press conference.
3. The press has even come to point out that “if you like it you can keep it” was a conscious lie and political decision to get the bill passed and o reelected.
4. That exposes the truth that o care was built on purpose to take away plans people like, which has made people angry and angrier. Contributing to the Democrat panic.
5. If it became law it would ALLOW policies to be issued which are now illegal. That is the American way, isn’t it? No it would not FORCE such policies to be issued, but ALLOWING them would be a repeal of the heart of The Heart of Darkness (keeping plans and docs you like), at least for a year, when more horrors will be exposed building more cries for “fixes” which fixes can only be fixes if they are partial or total repeal.
The end game is: with the continuing horror show and disaster, more Democrats will join (as 39 did this time) in legislation to gut o care.
Reid has a strangle hold over Dems in the Senate, but some of those are making noises too. How long can o and Ried hold off the tide?
ANYWAY these are thoughts and I don’t pretend to know how it will all play out. Will pray for guidance for all, and those who can take legislative action.
Also I thought Nahhh should not be so isolated on this thread since people can have different takes on it. ; )