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To: OneWingedShark

>>According to you the national socialist cannot be a progressive because “the entire Progressive ideology is Transnationalism which is the abolition of nation-states and borders.”

Read the SECOND paragraph.

>>I disagree with you that the root is transnationalism, the true root is collectivism.

Collectivism is their final goal, but it cannot work as long as nations have their own laws. This is why the Progressive supports the UN over their own nation. They support Agenda 21 over their own laws. If you strengthen the concept of the nation-state, then you block collectivism. This is why Nationalism is the enemy of Progressivism AND Collectivism.

If you fail to block Transnationalism, you will fail to prevent Collectivism because once there is no more border, your nation’s wealth will just disappear like smoke in a windstorm.

But, you make a good point: National Socialism is better than Transnationalism. At least with NS, you keep your nation’s wealth in the hands of the nation and if you get tired of NS, you can throw it off. Once you lose the border, you are committed forever.

>>Actually, if the [governments of the] world were truly and justly ruled, there would be no need for nations. Such a thing will only happen when Jesus comes back and rules with all authority.

This is the official discussion ender on FR. I am a Christian and I want Jesus to return right now. But, until he does, we live in this world and we work to make it better. We do not have the luxury of saying, “it doesn’t matter how much we mess things up, because Jesus is going to save us.”


54 posted on 11/11/2013 4:50:11 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92
We do not have the luxury of saying, “it doesn’t matter how much we mess things up, because Jesus is going to save us.”

Who said that? I didn't.

In any case I really disagree with your premise that national socialism is the answer, the answer is that people on an individual level behaving in a moral manner. Socialism is merely theft, indirect and by the hand of government, but nonetheless theft. — We are seeing the erosion of all personal liberty [and responsibility] in favor of 'collective morality', as evidenced by the recent escalation of the War on Drugs to include involuntary invasive medical procedures, humiliating/degrading dehumanizing actions, and possibly rape… all because "the collective" has been brainwashed to believe that the War on Drugs is just and that the government is good.

58 posted on 11/11/2013 9:33:43 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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