[hinckley buzzard]

And this is the libertarians fault because they feel it should have been left up to your Religion and never part of government in the first place?

An illustration of why libertarianism has a fatal error.

Reasonable people of most stripes share one concept: that civil society needs liberty but it must be ordered liberty. Childrearing, cohabitation, etc without any sort of order means societal chaos.

The government has an interest in assuring that children will be reared in a stable home environment. Historically this has meant married parents. Precisely to the degree that this meaning has degenerated, society has become less stable and less civil, and children are among the worst victims.

Libertarians have never come to terms with the clear unblinking reality that liberty must be ordered by an overseeing agent, i.e. representatives of the people invested with the authority necessary to fulfill that responsibility.

[RobbyS]

Not to speak of the state’s interest in the economic stability afforded by the nuclear family, to minimize the social costs of wild children.

[Gene Eric]

>> Libertarians have never come to terms with the clear unblinking reality that liberty must be ordered by an overseeing agent

Some maybe, but not all.

Nearly every thinking individual can be measured on the two dimensional plane that has morality and enforcement as its axes. The practical opposite of statism is libertarianism with very few at either endpoint. It's the anarchist that fails to appreciate an essential degree of order.

              Statis
                 |
             II  |  I
                 |
liberalism ------+------- conservatism
                 |
            III  |  IV
                 |
           libertarianism
                 |
             anarchism                

Most of the critics of libertarianism here are in the first quad. Leftists are in the second. The fools belonging to the Libertarian Party are in the third. The cool, Pro-Life, Pro-Marriage, Child-Safety, Pro-Gun, Liberty-loving folks are in the 4th.

[Dead Corpse]

.Reasonable people of most stripes share one concept: that civil society needs liberty but it must be ordered liberty. Childrearing, cohabitation, etc without any sort of order means societal chaos.

IOW, "You can be free as long as we control you."

In your chains, you are free.

Kind of a sick, twisted individual. Aren't you.