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To: Uncle Chip

I could ask, but the answer seems obvious to me. Once the shooting starts, you don’t stop until your training tells you to. I witnessed this first hand in the simulator. The perp, who had started by running at the shooter with a big knife, was already on the ground, looking quite helpless and disabled, but the last of five shots was fired anyway, because he was still moving. It all happens so fast, there is no time to make fine distinctions such as “oh now I realize this is a toy knife (or AK47).” The reflexes were trained. The reflexes did what they were trained to do.

But your question is worth asking, so I’ll call tomorrow and see if he’s available, and try to get you an answer.

BTW, this guy has taught hundreds of police officers in central IL, and he has confirmed one thing frequently mention here on FR, the police he has trained have been notoriously less skilled at shooting and even combat shooting, than hobby or self-defense shooters. They squeeze off 30(?) rounds a year to qualify, and never touch the gun otherwise. So they have no real stress programming. Put them in a serious shooting scenario, and they’re no better off than some total non-shootist dragged in off the street. Comforting, I know.


146 posted on 10/29/2013 5:38:46 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

BTW, this guy has taught hundreds of police officers in central IL, and he has confirmed one thing frequently mention here on FR, the police he has trained have been notoriously less skilled at shooting and even combat shooting, than hobby or self-defense shooters. They squeeze off 30(?) rounds a year to qualify, and never touch the gun otherwise. So they have no real stress programming. Put them in a serious shooting scenario, and they’re no better off than some total non-shootist dragged in off the street.
***All the more reason to make taser guns mandatory for all police officers.


147 posted on 10/29/2013 5:43:38 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Springfield Reformer

That’s interesting because self defense experts say that you fire until the threat is neutralized. If he is on the floor writhing in pain or running away I would assume the threat to be neutralized.

BTW that’s what some witnesses said this deputy did. He fired and the victim fell to the ground and he then went up and while he was on the ground shot him some more.

If that’s what they are teaching in these classes then they are turning out murderers not self defenders.


148 posted on 10/29/2013 6:10:15 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Springfield Reformer

“I could ask, but the answer seems obvious to me. Once the shooting starts, you don’t stop until your training tells you to. I witnessed this first hand in the simulator. The perp, who had started by running at the shooter with a big knife, was already on the ground, looking quite helpless and disabled, but the last of five shots was fired anyway, because he was still moving. It all happens so fast, there is no time to make fine distinctions such as “oh now I realize this is a toy knife (or AK47).” The reflexes were trained. The reflexes did what they were trained to do.”

Yea, and that’s one thing I just don’t understand. Try doing that as a private citizen. You’ll be spending a whole lot of time in prison.


168 posted on 10/31/2013 6:38:57 AM PDT by saleman
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