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Deputy who shot Calif. teen is a gun instructor
Yahoo News ^ | October 29, 2013 | CHANNING JOSEPH

Posted on 10/29/2013 9:59:16 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

SANTA ROSA, Calif. (AP) — Sheriff's officials say the Northern California deputy who fatally shot a 13-year-old boy is a firearms instructor who has trained his law enforcement colleagues in the proper use of force for nearly two decades.

Sonoma County spokesman Assistant Sheriff Lorenzo Duenas said 48-year-old Erick Gelhaus has been an instructor and rangemaster for the county for 19 years.

He also teaches pistol, carbine, shotgun and rifle lessons for Gunsite, a private company in Arizona, according to the company's Web site.

Gelhaus, a 24-year sheriff's office veteran, is a frequent contributor to S.W.A.T. magazine, a monthly firearms publication.

Duenas confirmed that Gelhaus is one of 26 gun instructors for Sonoma County.

He has not only given shooting lessons but also has provided instruction on the proper use of force, Duenas said.

To do that job, "you've got to be good at instructing others," Duenas said, adding: "You have to be able to instruct others on policy and procedures and use-of-force policy issues."

Gelhaus shot and killed Andy Lopez last week in Santa Rosa.

Investigators say Gelhaus mistook the pellet gun Lopez was carrying for an assault rifle....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; donutwatch; guncontrol; lopez; santarosa; secondamendment
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To: skeeter

Cops should never be allowed to shoot first. They should only be allowed to return fire after being shot at. No more of this they just want to go home at night to their families. If that’s what they want, then get a different job.


21 posted on 10/29/2013 10:24:50 AM PDT by XXXoholic
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Now, I'm not going to judge this incident one way or another, but if people want hyper-realistic "toy" guns, they need to anticipate the potential consequences.

There was a case in Texas recently where some men were stopped by police for carrying real guns; rifles slung over their shoulders. Had the police driven up, and within 5 or 10 seconds had shot and killed them, then would you be saying that the men in question needed to anticipate the potential consequences?

22 posted on 10/29/2013 10:26:08 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: XXXoholic
Its definitely a problem with tactics. Like everything else in a bureaucracy, everything is proceduralized to the point where there is no room for individual judgment. its all black & white, go/no-go, and no application of common sense.
23 posted on 10/29/2013 10:28:27 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
Toy makers have been making realistic looking guns for decades, 13 year olds weren't being accidentally shot.

Generally speaking, yes.

Something else has changed.

Yep, the attitude of both cops and yutes.

24 posted on 10/29/2013 10:28:48 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: GeronL

Yeah, sorry, I overreacted.


25 posted on 10/29/2013 10:31:23 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: DoodleDawg

There is nothing wrong with openn carry.


26 posted on 10/29/2013 10:31:59 AM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Uncle Chip

what part of the barrel was different?


27 posted on 10/29/2013 10:32:09 AM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
if people want hyper-realistic "toy" guns, they need to anticipate the potential consequences.

Right -- let's turn Toyz R Us into a kill zone for the police.

How about we just teach the police that the 2nd Amendment entitles civilians to carry guns and things that look like guns.

28 posted on 10/29/2013 10:32:36 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Red Badger

You mean he(the cop) didn’t carry a cheap RG-22 handgun to drop on the body when he discovered his error?

“Duh we saw dis person wit an AK-47 toy and he pulled out dis real pistol and we shot him.” Sarc/Off


29 posted on 10/29/2013 10:34:29 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: DoodleDawg
Yeah, actually I would. You may not like it, but if a cop tells you to drop the gun, and you don't, he is probably going to shoot you.

As a conservative I believe in responsibility, and when something bad happens to me, I worry about what I could have done or can do in the future to make sure it doesn't happen again. And when my children want to do things that might lead them into harm, I stop them.

You can go traipsing through life expecting everyone you encounter to do everything nicely and correct.

I don't have that kind of faith in my fellow man.

30 posted on 10/29/2013 10:35:55 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: XXXoholic
Cops should never be allowed to shoot first. They should only be allowed to return fire after being shot at.

Hogwash. If someone points a gun at a cop, they should be shot. You are mistakenly assuming the perp will always miss their first shot.

31 posted on 10/29/2013 10:36:13 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Uncle Chip
Yeah, I'm all for that. Until then I am going to do everything I can to avoid being shot.

You can do what you want.

32 posted on 10/29/2013 10:38:02 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: absalom01

Look at the two weapons that the police chief is holding up here in this story.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2477271/FBI-launch-investigation-emerges-cops-shot-13-year-old-boy-carrying-toy-rifle-10-SECONDS-spotting-him.html

The barrel tips are different.


33 posted on 10/29/2013 10:40:27 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: skeeter
Something else has changed.

Yeah, we have schools where kids are suspended for pointing their fingers like a gun. So, it's not to hard to understand that kids walking around with guns these days, toys or otherwise, is going to attract attention, probably from the old spinster lady down the block.

I don't like it either, but it's called reality.

Liberals are the ones who inhabit the world of their wishes.

34 posted on 10/29/2013 10:42:26 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: XXXoholic

Exactly! What the heck!


35 posted on 10/29/2013 10:46:19 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Uncle Chip
Yeah, the kid removed the gay orange tip. Seems like he took the FSB with it.

You're not seriously saying the lack of the FSB should have been enough for the cop to know it wasn't real?

AKs can kill you even without the front sight.

36 posted on 10/29/2013 10:47:26 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: aimhigh
If someone points a gun at a cop, they should be shot.

How about in this case where the deputy thought that the person was going to point his weapon at him so he took him out as a preventative measure with 7 shots that hit their mark.

37 posted on 10/29/2013 10:48:21 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Did he use these targets?

It looks like the No More Hesitation meme works.

38 posted on 10/29/2013 10:48:37 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: I got the rope
There is nothing wrong with openn carry.

Apparently there is in Santa Rosa, California. Police shoot you for it.

39 posted on 10/29/2013 10:49:37 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Slings and Arrows
Explains a lot, really.

Yep

40 posted on 10/29/2013 10:51:19 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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