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To: MD Expat in PA

I agree with your points.

I too am opposed to granting anchor babies U.S. citizenship.

But the people who claim that Ted Cruz is Canadian NOT AMERICAN because his mother gave birth to him on Canadian soil, would have a hard time reconciling THAT claim, with the position virtually all we conservatives would claim on anchor babies.

The truth will set everyone free.

Ted Cruz has citizenship which he attained AT BIRTH - did not need to be naturalized - because his mother was an American citizen who happened to be working in Canada at the time.

That this was defined by congressional statute is no problem whatsoever, like some here want to make it. The Constitution does not define natural born citizen, and the Constitution gave Congress the power to define it.

There needs to be common sense in this matter. The Founders in no way were trying to exclude from full citizenship rights a baby who happened to be born across a boundary line, but who otherwise would be entitled to those rights.

I gave the example of let’s say a pregnant American citizen who walks across a border to buy something in a store she can’t obtain on this side. She goes into labor before she can get back across the line and her baby is delivered by a border guard or a bystander because it comes right then and there - no time for a hospital. Within a few feet or inches of the border she was TRYING to cross back into America.

Are we to believe our FABULOUS FOUNDERS were trying to prevent that American’s baby from either being a citizen at all, or from being categorized as “natural born” therefore banned from ever becoming POTUS, solely because he was born while she shopped for an hour in Mexico or Canada?

Of.course.not!


736 posted on 10/31/2013 7:52:55 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." (Glenn Beck))
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To: txrangerette

You make a great point as well.

I work for a US based company that is a fully owned subsidiary of a UK based company.

Just last week I traveled to the UK for a meeting at our corporate headquarters in the UK. I spent nearly a week over there.

What if I was a US citizen, living in and working full time for this company in the US, but was pregnant and during my one week trip to the UK, and I went into premature labor and delivered my child in the UK. Would my child be a UK or a US citizen? Of course my child would be a US citizen, and a “natural born” citizen even though not technically born on US soil. The child would not have or be entitled to UK citizenship.

I think there are some legal provisions that say I would have to contact the local US Consulate to register the birth and obtain all the necessary documents to re-enter the US with the child and obtain a US birth certificate, but from what I understand, this is rather routine with US citizens, US service members and diplomatic personnel, US citizens working and even temporarily living overseas on business.


747 posted on 10/31/2013 8:13:53 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: txrangerette
But the people who claim that Ted Cruz is Canadian NOT AMERICAN because his mother gave birth to him on Canadian soil, would have a hard time reconciling THAT claim, with the position virtually all we conservatives would claim on anchor babies.

Nobody is claiming that He is not an American Citizen. He is most certainly an American citizen who was granted citizenship by the authority of a Congressional statute in which they exercise their power of naturalization.

We are just arguing that citizenship which flows from Congress is not NATURAL citizenship.

Congress can pass a law which says every third Chinese baby named "Lee" is an American citizen at birth. This will make these babies "citizens at birth" but it will not make them "natural" citizens.

Congress can't create "natural" citizens. Natural citizens are created by nature, not man made law.

766 posted on 10/31/2013 8:54:21 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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