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To: edge919

And that edge919, is my understanding too, thus because of those decisions, unfortunately, Ted Cruz can not be considered a “natural born” citizen. He is a citizen, just not natural born.


189 posted on 10/28/2013 10:09:04 PM PDT by abigkahuna (I have achieved the goal of semi-literacy through public schooling.)
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To: abigkahuna; edge919; SoConPubbie; Jim Robinson

I’m not the expert on statutory law of Congress defining citizenship. There are several here. SoConPubbie is one and there are others.

You two are simply wrong.

Defined by statute does not at all mean that someone is “naturalized”. Defined by statute - unless that statute is ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court - defines when one is considered a citizen AT THEIR BIRTH. When you are a citizen AT YOUR BIRTH, YOU ARE NOT A NATURALIZED CITIZEN.

Naturalized has a very specific meaning. It means that you must go through a naturalization process under the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service in order to become a citizen because you never were a citizen and can’t be until you are processed to become one. That would be a true case of someone who is not natural born but instead is naturalized. That person can’t legally run for President, according to the Constitution.

You are trying to say that if Congress defined NBC by statute, that is the same as providing naturalization for those who fall under that statute. No, it isn’t. It is defining WHO WAS A CITIZEN AT THEIR BIRTH.

As Jim Rob posted on this thread, and has posted many times before, Ted Cruz falls under a statute that defined natural born as having been born to a U.S. citizen parent (his mother is a U.S. citizen and was only working temporarily in Canada (she was born and raised in Delaware and came back here to live in Houston - still lives there) and does not have to have been born on U.S. soil nor did his father’s status deprive Ted of U.S. citizenship through his mother.

No court ruling has ever overturned the statute that defined Ted Cruz as a U.S. citizen.

And are you not aware that the Constitution ITSELF gave Congress the authority to define citizenship? Well, it does!

To come on here, after all of this has been hashed and rehashed for many months, and settled, and to think you are somehow successfully contradicting what the rest of us have posted about this, is not going to work.

I’m not going to let it go by.


199 posted on 10/29/2013 8:02:26 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." (Glenn Beck))
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To: abigkahuna; edge919

Ted Cruz was born to a fully qualified US citizen working temporarily in Canada. He’s a natural born citizen and is qualified in every respect to be president. Much more qualified than most other candidates. Check his record in defending the constitution, individual rights and states rights. The man is a pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-constitution, pro-gun, pro-drilling, pro-borders, pro-small government, pro-America, patriotic conservative. Hey, that’s just the kind of man we’re looking for on FR! If he runs and he’s the strongest conservative running, you can bet this website will support him to the hilt!! Hope you don’t mind. Hope you don’t troll against our conservative candidates.


205 posted on 10/29/2013 8:26:42 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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