Please check Post 204 for information and links to the facts of the case. There is a lot of official information out there and a lot of BS and speculation and outright falsehoods. The story was on the NBC Nightly News (including the quote referenced earlier from Ismael Mondragon), and even those guys did a better job of discussing it than some of the people in this thread. One great example is "he was shot in the back." No, he was not shot in the back according to the preliminary autopsy reports:
There were seven apparent entry wounds discovered in the body. Two of the wounds were determined to be fatal wounds. One of the bullets that resulted in a fatal wound entered the right side of his chest. The second fatal wound was caused by a bullet entering the right hip. There were non-fatal wounds on his right wrist, left bicep, right forearm, right buttocks and right hip. Three bullets were recovered in the body.
Does anyone see any entry wounds "in the back" on that autopsy report? I didn't either. That information may have come from this sentence in the original linked article:
Police also revealed that Lopez had his back to the deputies, so they didn't realize he was so young. He was wearing a hooded sweatshirt and shorts.
Another piece of BS being propagated here is those ten seconds. It's even posted in the very title of the thread, that supposedly Lopez was shot ten seconds after he was spotted. It is not necessarily a lie, since a lie means "stating something that you know to be untrue." But it's BS. Here's the timeline, from the same Santa Rosa PD official update page:
The timeline for this incident is as follows:
- 1514:15 hrs - Sonoma County Sheriff’s Dispatch created an incident of a suspicious person in the area of Moorland Ave. and West Robles Ave.
- 1514:19 hrs - The Deputies call for emergency assistance from other Deputies in the area
- 1514:25 hrs - The Deputies notify dispatch that shots have been fired
- 1514:41 hrs - Emergency medical advised to respond to the scene
The word "Incident" is copspeak, standard terminology for dispatchers. Each Incident is numbered, and every radio call from the cops in the field is logged, along with the time that it happened. The fact that there are minutes and seconds beside each radio call suggests that the information is being recorded on a computer, maybe using a Computer Aided Dispatch system. When a radio call comes in, the dispatcher will acknowledge it and then type the information into the computer. In this case, the dispatcher typed in the information and then hit "Enter" or whatever key is used to start a new Incident. The time of 1514 hours and 15 seconds is the time when the dispatcher created the Incident after typing in the information about "suspicious person spotted near the area of Moorland Avenue and West Robles Avenue. How long do you think typing that information took? We won't know until later, but suffice it to say that at least a few seconds elapsed between the time of the first radio call and the time that the dispatcher finished typing the information and hit "Enter." Each of those four entries is not the time of the radio call, but the time that the information was entered into the computer. We will know more as the investigation progresses, but one thing we do know is that any police agency of any size records the audio from their radio system along with a time stamp. So at some point we will hear the "dramatic audio" from the event and we will learn the exact elapsed time between the radio calls. So far, every MSM account I've read that talks about ten seconds, including the original linked article from the Daily Mail in the UK, has gotten this wrong.
Please, let's not propagate BS and then argue about it as though it were factual.
Let's say there is a 7 second delay between call-in and entry into the computer. Wouldn't that 7 second delay apply to all the times on the dispatcher's log? I don't get how this would increase the 10 seconds time period between report of sighting and report of shooting.
Am I reading that timeline correctly that Lopez was actually shot 6 seconds NOT 10 seconds after the police dispatch???
- 1514:15 hrs - Sonoma County Sheriff’s Dispatch created an incident of a suspicious person in the area of Moorland Ave. and West Robles Ave.
- 1514:19 hrs - The Deputies call for emergency assistance from other Deputies in the area
- 1514:25 hrs - The Deputies notify dispatch that shots have been fired
- 1514:41 hrs - Emergency medical advised to respond to the scene
The bullet to the right buttocks --
Is that the front right buttocks or the back right buttocks???
Like the BS you have been feeding us here.
And now you're accusing the police of propagating BS by claiming that they posted a falacious timeline of the incident on their website???
Who do you think you're dealing with here -- Democrat voters???