So, I can't imagine what would have prompted you to ask what a freeper and a friend might have been doing in the parking lot of a Harbor Freight Tools Store. Can you enlighten me?
Posted on 10/26/2013 1:04:01 AM PDT by moonshinner_09
Cops took no more than 10 seconds to fire six or seven shots into the body of dying teenager Andy Lopez after seeing him with a toy pellet gun. Mr Lopez was spotted by deputies on Tuesday afternoon in Santa Rosa, California, carrying the toy rifle, which they mistakenly thought was a real assault weapon. The time that elapsed between when officers reported the sighting to dispatch and then reported shots fired was only 10 seconds. Hundreds of local residents marched on Wednesday night to remember the popular teen and protest at the senseless shooting. They chanted 'We need justice' as they questioned how the deputies could mistake a pellet gun for an assault rifle.According to a police statement, Lopez was twice instructed to put down his weapon, officers opened fire after he failed to comply - only 10 seconds later. Sixteen seconds later, the cops radioed for medical assistance. Ethan Oliver, who lives across the street, told KTVU.com that the deputies continued to shoot at the boy, even after he had fallen to the ground. Oliver said he went outside after hearing two gun shots and by that time Lopez was already on the ground. ‘Then the cops went at it again and unloaded like six to seven shots,’ he said.When asked if he meant that the deputy shot Lopez while he was on the ground, Oliver said, ‘Yeah. Exactly what I saw.’ Authorities haven't responded to his claims, but it raises the possibility that Lopez was still alive when he hit the ground after the first two shots were fired.
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The deputy on the right side of the patrol car (and first in the line of fire) would have been in the best position to see the gun barrel as the teen turned around, while the deputy on the left side of the car was at a more acute angle.
Likewise, had there been an orange safety tip on the barrel of the gun the teen was holding, the officer on the right would have been in the best position to see it as the teen turned.
You can't be serious. How do you bring an AK47 in front of you if it's in your left hand and your right side is turning toward the front???
That pellet gun was never in a position to be a threat.
In order for it to have been a threat he would have to be facing the police with both hands on the gun but he was shot in the right side with the gun in his left.
By moving your left arm holding the gun forward and up while grasping the rising barrel with your right hand and moving it from left to center.
-btw If the police are positioned behind the teenager and to his left, turning to his right places his body between the police and the gun and conceals the weapon from their view regardless how he holds it.
You also might consider how 'normal' it is for someone to turn to their right in reaction to sound/stimulis from their left.
And again, absent the orange colored safety tip at the end of the gun barrel, in this scenario it is extremely unlikely the replica gun the teen was holding would be discernible from the real thing.
And how do you get shot in the right buttocks if you are
in any kind of position to fire??
http://everycitizenasoldier.org/id16.html
Answer — you don’t.
None of the injuries the teen sustained are inconsistent with the scenario outlined earlier in which the teen turned to his right putting his body between the police and the gun.
And again without the orange safety tip at the end of the barrel, discerning the gun was a replica and not the real deal becomes very difficult.
So, I can't imagine what would have prompted you to ask what a freeper and a friend might have been doing in the parking lot of a Harbor Freight Tools Store. Can you enlighten me?
Sorry about the double post. Please remove
FTA: “Writing under his real name on the forum The Firing Line, Gelhaus wrote under a thread entitled “He’s got a gun! ... A bb gun...” that: It’s going to come down to YOUR ability to articulate to law enforcement and very likely the Court that you were in fear of death or serious bodily injury. I think we keep coming back to this, articulation — your ability to explain why — will be quite significant.”
Read more at: http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/10/erick-gelhaus-andy-lopez-shooting-cop/
In other words to BS your way out of it.
The bb gun was his friend’s and he was returning it. Seven shots fired... by Eric Gelhaus. You might want to read some of Gelhaus’ written statements posted at an online swat blog (link above. )
“Today’s is the day you may need to kill someone in order to go home. If you cannot turn into the ‘Mean Gene’ for yourself, who will? If you find yourself in an ambush, in the kill zone, you need to turn on the ‘Mean Gene.’”
Read more at: http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/10/erick-gelhaus-andy-lopez-shooting-cop/
Exactly. Check out some of his other comments at the link.. The SWAT blog has blocked or closed all of his (Galhous’) posts.
Plastic pellets. Airsoft. Might do damage to an eye on a close enough shot but no where near enough force to penetrate a skull at any range.
That breaks two California laws right there.
"Laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding..." "Shall not be infringed".
In 10 seconds, several someones screaming at you will cause you to turn around to see what all the fuss is about. Seeing REAL guns pointed at you will give you an "oh sh*t" moment and cause you to freeze.
Getting riddled with very real bullets for carrying a toy only shows how far off base our "law enforcement" has fallen.
There is a full on effort to circle the wagons around this guy to protect LE’s right to fire at will anytime they feel threatened — civilians who they are supposed to protect be damned.
BTW the kid was carrying an Airsoft plastic pellet rifle — not even a bb gun — and it is sold without an orange plastic tip.
Airsoft.
No one in my generation has ever heard of Airsoft, unless they have grandchildren who shoot them, and I don't.
When I read “pellet gun” I thought of the pellet gun I owned in the 1960’s, which could definitely penetrate your skull.
Kids actually got killed in those days with pellet guns.
Problem Two.....
Being screamed at.
I think 13 year old kids who live in an area with Hispanic gangs are a lot more savvy than you suggest.
Every 13 year old in the country watches Cop reality shows.
Every 13 year old in the country notices a Cop car.
This young man lived in an area were he personally witnessed Police activity on a routine basis.
He was wearing a hoodie, which concealed his age.
He was carrying a weapon in a public area that, to me, looked completely authentic.
I'm sorry he's dead, but his actions were highly provocative.
I simply don't see how the Police are at fault here.
Actually it was an Airsoft replica AK47 with the bright orange identifying markings removed making it practically indistinguishable from the real thing. Until the police investigation is concluded however it would be speculation to suggest what the kid was doing or where he was going when he encountered police.
Whoever is responsible for that gun however, is most likely going to be sued for a lot of money, and I'll reserve judgment on who that person is until all the facts are known.
As for Deputy Gelhaus, I don't believe he's a bad cop and although his career in law enforcement may be over I'm confident that he will be cleared of wrong doing in this tragic incident.
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