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Sens. Cruz, Lee say they won't block deal
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Posted on 10/16/2013 9:58:14 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
Defeatist butthole media believing Republicans.
To: dfwgator
“When people finally see the Cluster-you-know-what that ObamaCare is, they will remember the Cruz was the only one with the guts to fight it.”
NO, THEY WON’T....
They will be told at every turn how GREAT! it is by the TV.
Every time they look at the tweets on the cell phone they will see celebrities telling them how great it is.
They will be told any problems THEY have with it just figments of their imagination, and that only CRAZY PEOPLE (or evil Christians) think it’s bad.
Study history. All of this has happened before...
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posted on
10/16/2013 11:16:53 AM PDT
by
tcrlaf
(Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
To: sport
Why elect Republicans? It's an excellent question, and my answer may not be satisfactory to everyone, and I understand that, but there is a reason. Think of it in terms of Ho-Hos. You may recall how Hostess recently went out of business, and was then revived by new ownership. Their signature products are already back on the shelf and selling well.
OK, now imagine we closed Hostess and dumped everything about it, the brand, the infrastructure, the employee base, everything, and just started totally and absolutely from scratch, call the product, I don't know, SR's Chocolate and Cream Rolles, or something. Whatever. How long would it take to ramp up that totally new and unknown product to anywhere close to the same sales volume as the original Ho-Ho? Anywhere from a long time to never.
My point is, we need a big, sophisticated infrastructure and an established (if damaged) brand to be even remotely competitive in the short term. I tried getting a Constitution Party branch going in my neck of the woods. All I got was a handful of regulars and everybody else refusing to participate based on the fear we would just be diluting the Republican presence, thereby strengthening the liberals/leftists. There are many other barriers, with ballot access issues high on the list.
So actually getting a third party to work is going to be nearly impossible. If we really want to win, we must win by pushing the R party back to its platform via a massive grassroots infestation of the local party apparatus, combined with fresh and electrifying national leadership pulling us toward conservatism from the top. And primary all RINOs, contra Ann Coulters advice. I see no other way forward, apart from divine intervention.
To: tcrlaf
What you said.
(See post 159.)
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posted on
10/16/2013 11:19:48 AM PDT
by
Ezekiel
(The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
To: mojito
I’m not sure if you chose to miss my point or not, so let me re-iterate it.
You’re complaining about the actions of Senators Cruz and Lee, as if there was something more they could have done and they have let us down as a result.
This, after they have taken unmitigated hell from both the Left and the Collaborators in our party for sometime now for resolutely standing for what is right, the defunding of Obamacare.
You are whining here, instead of staying the course.
Senators Cruz and Lee have done immeasurable good by flushing out the turds in our party and showing them for what they are and energizing the Tea-Party once again by showing us that there are some Senators and Congressmen who will fight for us.
Complaining about something as small as this action on their part right now, after the Gargantuan effort they just put in smells, badly.
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posted on
10/16/2013 11:20:09 AM PDT
by
SoConPubbie
(Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
To: tcrlaf; dfwgator
NO, THEY WONT....
They will be told at every turn how GREAT! it is by the TV.
Only those getting something for free from Obamacare.
Everyone else will be screaming as it will hit their bottom line, their pocket-book, and the quality of their health care.
dfwgator is right, it is just a matter of time and this is going to land with full-force on the heads of the Democrats and the Collaborators in the GOP who did not fight against it.
The Tea-Party has been setup to make some major gains in 2014 and 2016.
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posted on
10/16/2013 11:23:02 AM PDT
by
SoConPubbie
(Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
To: justice14
The point is that electing Republicans to the both Houses and the presidency ended up with the same result: the growth of the federal government because few if any would take a stand when it came to defunding the beast.
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posted on
10/16/2013 11:25:50 AM PDT
by
DangerZone
(If the left had their way, all of America would be as safe as Sandy Hook Elementary.)
To: justice14; DangerZone
They overstepped. Simple. Point?
Nope, they fought for what is right.
I dare say you would have been a nay-sayer during the Revolution of 1776 as our side lost battle after battle, but in the end won the war.
They resolutely stuck to their principles in spite of facing the world's super-power and losing many battles.
They fought for what is right, in the face of overwhelming odds.
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posted on
10/16/2013 11:25:55 AM PDT
by
SoConPubbie
(Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
To: SouthParkRepublican
At least you have a voice today!
Go vote for your patriot, Steve Lonegan.
169
posted on
10/16/2013 11:25:56 AM PDT
by
onyx
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To: SoConPubbie
Then you were not paying attention and are easily swayed by Propaganda. Possibly. But this deal is such a disaster so so many levels it's not even funny. And to use a football analogy, this will be very difficult yardage to get back.
If Cruz can delay a vote only for 30 hours or whatever, then he must put reputation aside and do it. Maybe...just maybe...in 30 hours things will change. A delay can only help us. It can't hurt us.
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posted on
10/16/2013 11:26:27 AM PDT
by
Leaning Right
(Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
To: mojito
The Senate, including Ted Cruz, has acquiesced in an internal coup. There's no way to sugar coat it. 0bama is now a tyrant and a dictator. The only way to challenge him directly is to force him to violate his constitutional oath to guarantee the full faith and credit of the US and default. He can then be impeached. He is NEVER going to be impeached.
Wake up from the dream.
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posted on
10/16/2013 11:26:32 AM PDT
by
workerbee
(The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
To: tcrlaf
Study history. All of this has happened before... Well, yes, sort of. But we are not an exact replica of all nations that have gone before us, and eventually even the most brainwashed among us will find the cognitive dissonance to be quite loud and annoying. People will look at their own situation and realize it doesn't match the propaganda. For some this will mean a deepening psychosis, for others, liberation. Collectivist tyrannies must always ultimately fail because reality doesn't lie. You really can't stop the signal.
To: DangerZone
Defunding was never an option. Heritage even said so. The real way to do this is by winning elections.
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posted on
10/16/2013 11:27:20 AM PDT
by
justice14
("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
To: SoConPubbie
They chose their battles. They changed their tactics. Read some history.
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posted on
10/16/2013 11:28:16 AM PDT
by
justice14
("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
To: Leaning Right
If Cruz can delay a vote only for 30 hours or whatever, then he must put reputation aside and do it. Maybe...just maybe...in 30 hours things will change. A delay can only help us. It can't hurt us.
How?
His side, the Republicans(Collaborators), have totally caved.
He's done what he can. Let it go and let's stand firm and keep fighting.
The war and the battle is not over, this was just a skirmish.
Stay strong!
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posted on
10/16/2013 11:29:55 AM PDT
by
SoConPubbie
(Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
To: justice14
They chose their battles. They changed their tactics. Read some history.
I've read history, maybe you should take your own advice, and realize that maybe all Senators Cruz and Lee are doing right now, is "changing their tactics".
You smell like a troll buddy.
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posted on
10/16/2013 11:31:04 AM PDT
by
SoConPubbie
(Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
To: justice14; DangerZone
Defunding was never an option. Heritage even said so. The real way to do this is by winning elections.
And how are you going to do that Karl Rove, if you don't stand up and fight against those things that are wrong?
The GOP will not win the majority of elections necessary to keep control of the House or take over the Senate or win the Presidency unless they keep to the conservative message and are vocal in their fight against everything that attacks our freedoms, liberties, and constitutional governance.
The current GOP-E leadership don't care about these things, but only care about keeping their head down, and keeping their positions/seats.
They've already proven they really did not want to defund Obamacare, they are actively, or secretly, plotting to pass Amnesty, they've caved on the Gay Agenda.
They no long represent us and cannot be trusted to fight for us.
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posted on
10/16/2013 11:34:58 AM PDT
by
SoConPubbie
(Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
To: SoConPubbie
I’m sorry, but doing a Pickets charge type attack against an entrenched enemy is not choosing the best tactic. AT ALL.
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posted on
10/16/2013 11:39:38 AM PDT
by
justice14
("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
To: SoConPubbie
Public hates Obamacare. They do. That needs to be capitalized on by the GOP. Hitting that hard will win us the 2014 and 16 elections. Then we have the inner party debate/fight on how to proceed. We need numbers now. Not to divide and kill the party.
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posted on
10/16/2013 11:41:47 AM PDT
by
justice14
("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
To: RIghtwardHo
Go, Ted, Go! Sorry you don’t like him, but Cruz is the real deal. A pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-small government, strong defense, constitutionalist Reaganite conservative and a fighter. A winner for constitutional rights. One of the best we have. Check his record as Texas Solicitor General.
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posted on
10/16/2013 11:42:45 AM PDT
by
Jim Robinson
(Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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