'If the Govt Shuts Down, Does That Mean Congress Finally Won't Get Paid for the Job They Haven't Been Doing Anyway?'
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Posted on 09/29/2013 9:07:01 PM PDT by Innovative
When the president considered sitting down with the four congressional leaders in the White House ahead of the deadline to avert a government shutdown, Reid privately urged Obama to call off the meeting, according to several people familiar with the situation. Reid believed that it would amount to nothing more than a photo-op that would give the false impression that a serious negotiation was occurring, even warning he wouldn’t attend such a session. Obama scrapped it.
As Washington barrels forward to the first government shutdown in 17 years on Tuesday, the wily Reid has taken the lead role in pushing a hardball Democratic legislative strategy that can be summed up like this: Make the Republicans cave.
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I do not think your impressions are mistaken. There has been a definite, though subtle, change. The 39R/36D poll (assigning “blame”), if true, is devastating to the Democrats strategy. They need this to be a 30 point split (which, IIRC, was roughly what it was pre-95 shutdown), not a 3 point split. In my opinion, what you are seeing is fear. Fear that the opposition to ObamaCare (which resulted in the loss of “Ted Kennedy’s” seat — thus showing how powerful that opposition can be) hasn’t weakened at all. Fear that, as you point out, the Republicans are positioned such that it is actually difficult to blame them for a shutdown. Fear that they are entering into an off-year, not general, election. Fear, perhaps, of internal polling.
And most importantly, and most glaringly, fear of Ted Cruz.
Well, sitting behind a Maginot line with all the guns pointing in the wrong direction is all that the Republican leadership is offering.
“Terrain is this, the MSM will make sure the GOP gets blame for the gov shutdown.”
And???
Who gives a flying rat’s behind what the MSM says? Low information voters? The same voters who always vote democrap anyway??
First, this is not a government “shutdown”. MSM LIE #1.
Second, CrummieCare is not being “defunded”. It’s being blocked from funding because it hasn’t been apportioned yet. MSM LIE #2.
Third, mid-term voters are usually FOR reduced government spending, and they swing the vote when they GET OUT AND VOTE. Wheeny spineless GOP candidates lost 2012 elections because voters stayed home. Voters didn’t vote because their grievances landed on deaf ears. MSM LIE #3.
Fourth, it’s the independents that’ll swing this vote, chief. We’re damned tired of Congress ignoring We the People. We WILL vote for anyone with a spine who will take our message to the floor and do what we ask them to do, regardless of what the lameo commie pinko bastard media spews. They will do as they always do...spinning LIE #2,098,098,109,820,012.
You’re still playing Beltway Basketball like Congress and the poor excuse of a government does. The voters, the People of this STILL great nation, really want us to be playing Rugby instead. Americans love conviction and they eat conflict up with a spoon. They respect it, and that’s what this country needs, not some hot potato bullcrap footsie game played by whimps fearing that they might lose their “hollywood b-bawl image”.
Game on.
Reid is right. The GOP will cave. McConnell is used to bending over on behalf of the GOP-e. McCain is used to betraying his allies from his years as a VietCong operative. Lindsey Graham is used to doing whatever the Left tells him to, so as to avoid “those photos” of his bathhouse activities from being released. We have perhaps the worst group of traitors that has ever existed in a deliberative body since Ancient Rome.
You and I know the details, but besides us we need a lot more allies to defeat Obamacare. Passions alone will not win it, being tactically astute will. IMHO if the CR was passed without attachments, the Dems cannot distract the problems with Obamacare and the MSM has no cover story to use. Obamacare will be in big trouble in the 2014 election because the GOP will have today till 2014 to harp about it and expose the horror stories.
Now if we want to prove a point by shutting gov down, you just handed the Dems a crisis to detract public attention while the willing MSM gladly pound the GOP. Sen Reid thinks this is what will happen and based on his slow deliberate reaction he is confident of its outcome. If the GOP is confident otherwise, and the MSM is a nonfactor, why are they burning the midnight oil desperately getting a bill out to the Senate? How people behave gives me more info then what they say. Right now the Dems are confident of the outcome of this fight then the GOP.
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Where is McConnell who should be lambasting and excoriating Dingy several times a day on the various topics?
Yep, I’m already hearing it on the news stations, it’s the Republican’s fault.
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Democrats: The Party of ‘No!’
From the first paragraph, it appears the DEMOCRATS are the ones who aren’t united on strategy. Of course, you won’t hear that from the media...instead, we hear about the “wily” Reid.
[I detected a subtle change among the talking heads this Sunday as compared to last Sunday. In the discussion among the pundits one week ago there was derision directed toward the Republicans and it continued this week but less vehement, less cocksure than the previous week.]
I agree. And the above story in the left-leaning Politico is a warning to Reid and Senate Democrats that their tactics could backfire.
Make them cave? The Republicans are master Spelunkers.
The GOPers should say:
The same people who told you Obamacare would allow you to keep your insurance plan and doctor, and that your costs for health care would go down $2,500 a year, are the same people who are now telling you that the Republicans are to blame for shutting the government down.
Are you going to believe more of their lies, or are you going to think for yourself?
Many have the feeling that this could backfire on the Democrats big time! Just as the Democrats impose failed policies time and again, thinking that, this time, the failed policy will work!
The previous government shutdown was engineered by the Democrats, but the Republicans were blamed. This Democrat strategy will not work today because even the low information voter knows more about the issues.
The Democrats are not interested in your health care; they are interested in your freedom.
There’s no winning with the old media.
Shut down the gubmint. The real problem with doing so like was done in the sequester, there will be those who will be MADE TO SUFFER all because of a power struggle between odumbo, the demodummies and the repubs.
There are major reasons Reid and the Senate want the gubmint shutdown other than calling the Repubs bluff.
Hume isn’t the face of ABC now. Only in the past. That face is Charles Gibson. The face of FOX is Shep Smith.
“Republicans need to make sure to let everyone know that it’s the Dems who refuse to negotiate and hold the Dems responsible for the government shutdown. “
Great idea. How?
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