Posted on 09/28/2013 8:08:32 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
Health care rollout would proceed if government shuts down, uninsured would still get covered
WASHINGTON (AP) — Republicans pulling on the budget thread can't neatly unravel President Barack Obama's health care law.
A partial government shutdown next week would leave the major parts of the law in place and rolling along, according to former Democratic and Republican budget officials, as well as the Obama administration itself. Health care markets for the uninsured would open as scheduled on Tuesday.
Deleting the money to implement the law, the GOP's dream scenario, would indeed cripple Obamacare. But that's much less likely to happen than a government shutdown. Obama wouldn't allow the ruin of his hard-fought namesake legislation.
Part of the reason a shutdown wouldn't stop the health care law is that government doesn't grind to a halt. National defense, law enforcement, air traffic control and other activities involving the safety of human life and the protection of property continue.
Ditto for big entitlement programs such as Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, whose "mandatory" funding does not have to be renewed annually by Congress...
(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...
Never mind the article being written by the AP’s leading Zerocare cheerleader, Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar.
Who are you kidding? Of course the Mainstream Republicans and most Democrats don’t want to shut the Government down - they are draining our resources faster that you can blink!
Of course our so called friends - the Republicans are just as guilty as the Democrats at taking money for themselves at the expense of the peons. It’s called power and influence! Do you really think that most of the Republican Party has your interest at heart, or with some thought you actually think that they may be in it for themselves?
That is why the Tea Party has formed (major part) and why these creeps need to be removed from office. The problem is that so many belong in the “remove” category and so few remain in the “retain” category. It is getting so hard to determine who to elect since so many are corrupt!
It does seem that today honesty is a lost art!
Some in GOP keep on saying they don't want to shut the government down.
They say it a lot.
I never heard of the guy, but after googling his name, it seems that Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar has been pitching for Obamacare for several years going back to when Sarah Palin mentioned death panels.
Ricardo obviously doesn’t understand what “government shutdown” means. He thinks when it does, it just keeps right on going. English as a second language. Oh well.
Well, media pressure is a bitch for the Republicans! You don’t actually expect them to express their actual opinions do you?
“The article seems to be written to scam readers with a misleading headline and misdirection.”
Look at the source: AP. For the past 20 years, whose are they on? If anyone here on FR do not know that they are shills for the Dem party, you don’t belong to FR.
I think it’s fair to say that Obamacare is a done deal. There’s no practical way to stop it.
The tipping point has passed, people. The takers are now over 51%. It’s over. The only way out now, is through... Just like they teach you in infantry school. The only way out of an ambush is through it. Into it.
The way out will be a few generations from now. After the crash. Far after the crash.
, SOME in GOP keep saying they dont want a shutdown., You mean they are lying and really want one?
Are those the ones you are mad at?
Ha, can you say lying or stating a public policy is wrong? What is factual is that almost all Democrats and most Republicans not only lie but have other motives at heart! Surely you know that! The days of real government service went by the wayside many years ago. When the servants can both elect their bosses and decide their raises, things have already gotten out of hand (especially when they can threaten their bosses with no votes).
These folks actually want to run for office - get elected and exploit their power, it is a power thing. Of course money also comes into play (actually very high on the list these days)
Now of course, maybe 10% to 15% of these folks are decent and honest folks (probably a high estimate). Now how does this come into the idea of a Government shutdown?
It’s simply a power play - he who controls the power controls the purse - so to speak. Both parties don’t give a hoot about what the country wants (and really never have) but they do care about publicity and how it affects the party. Both do their best to get good publicity and so it continues. Of course the bias of the media towards the Democrats makes it very difficult for the Republicans during this kind of revolt.
That means that unless the Republicans eventually give up, the Media will crucify them. So, just who do think will win this game this time? It’s all politics with the appropriate Media exposure.
See anything with either Party or the Media? If not, you are living in a vacuum!!
If that's the case, then the government wasn't shut down, was it?
A government shutdown seems likely. Gas prices are falling. What’s up?
Counter-proposal:
Funding of ObamaCare contingent on the elimination (not renaming, rolling-into another agency, or other such non-reduction of government employees) of the following departments:
If you believe that, you should be doing everything in your power to teach the young about morality, the republic, and real Constitutionalism (i.e. the sort that would get you labeled as anarchist
because you would strip out all of the agencies in the [federal] government that aren't explicitly given to include the Air Force [it's not Constitutionally authorized… but an Army Air Corps would be]).
Funny how the Secure Fence Act of 2007 isn’t among the “mandatory” programs that “must” be funded.
Shut it down and keep the funds away from Obamacare.
This is nonsense. If the ACA included such a provision, it was only because Congress wrote that language, and the U.S. House can remove such language.
So they can. But it won't become law until passed by the Senate and signed by Zero.
The article does raise legitimate questions.
The House can, by itself, refuse to authorize expenditures which haven't already been passed into law. That's the effect failure to pass a CR would have — what's already enacted proceeds; what isn't stops. Unless it's found to be "necessary" (e.g., air traffic control) ... that allows plenty of scope for executive-branch shenanigans, as the article notes.
The House cannot, by itself, repeal laws that are already in effect. If the CR, as originally passed by the House with Senator Cruz's recommended rider, were approved by the Senate and signed by Zero, then ObamaCare would be out (of course, why not just repeal it?). But that's not going to happen. So, the question is, where from here? What is the actual effect of not having a CR?
If the debt limit isn't raised, he can't do anything - perhaps that's why he and the Dims are 'insisting" on a separate and "clean" debt bill.
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