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To: don-o; freedom462
[freedom462:] "And for the record, I do believe in freedom of speech for everyone and for any kind of cause you can think of."

[don-o:] I believed that as well along with all kinds of stupid stuff - when I was 16. The mainstreaming of sexual perversion does not contribute to the general welfare of society.

[Me:] If we don't have freedom of speech we don't agree with, we don't have freedom of speech.

You don't need a First Amendment to protect speech you wouldn't ban anyway. But if you want to ban speech that you think "does not contribute to the general welfare of society," you have no basis to complain if a majority of the legislature decides that Christianity and conservatism "don't contribute to the general welfare of society."

[don-o:] I see you are new here. Tread lightly.

[me:] Who died and left you guardian of the newbies?

[sarcasm] Absolutely, we want people to "tread lightly" on FR if they dare post such heretical thoughts as freedom of speech. We wouldn't want that in a "Free Republic," now would we? [/sarcasm]

12 posted on 09/27/2013 8:34:54 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

That explains fairly well what I was saying. Look, again I say I am shedding zero tears over Serbians’ decision to do this. But when it comes to the US, I fear about dangerous precedents that banning speech for any reason sets.

As it is, we have fellow conservative, American patriots who are stuck in statist sinkholes like Maryland, New York, Mass and California, places where any day the state gov’ts could decide that conservative, Christian values don’t contribute to their society and so they are gonna ban them. And we know full well we cannot in any way, shape or form count on our federal gov’t to have the morality and the backbone needed to do the right things if these state gov’ts tried that. That is why I feel the precedents should be to fight bad, amoral speech with conservative Christian speech. And to be honest, I think conservative Christians could stand to do that a lot more than they currently do.


13 posted on 09/27/2013 8:39:59 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: Lurking Libertarian
But if you want to ban speech that you think "does not contribute to the general welfare of society," you have no basis to complain if a majority of the legislature decides that Christianity and conservatism "don't contribute to the general welfare of society."

In your view then, the Serbians did the wrong thing. And you would not want homo rallies banned in America.

17 posted on 09/27/2013 8:54:28 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Lurking Libertarian; Jim Robinson
Who died and left you guardian of the newbies?

It was simple a helpful hint and an fyi. The site owner is well known to take a very dim view of speech on his site that even hints at advocating the homosexual agenda.

To the question of free speech: Our current understanding is light years from what it would have been to Madison, Franklin et al, because the society has degenerated.

The "republic, if you can keep it" that we were given presumed a common morality that universally outlawed buggery in reflection of the received Judeo-Christian tradition. When buggery is legalized, that relation is broken.

The facile interpretation of what the Constitution actually intended in order to promote agendas has taken us to a Lewis Carrol Wonderland - up is down and inside is outside.

27 posted on 09/28/2013 4:16:33 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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