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To: Timber Rattler; jpsb; Jane Long; patriotsoul; musicman; Jim Robinson

Well, why don’t we all just give up now and pack it in then if you think this is all just for Cruz’s ego?

I believe in fighting for a cause, but not when it is for "show" and the "fight" does not advance the cause. What Cruz is doing is for show, and even he admitted last week it will never pass the Senate.

There is no way a Continuing Resolution is going to be passed in the Senate and signed by Obama. None. Even if it passed, they don't have 60 votes to override his veto.

We lost ObamaCare when Olympia Snow (R-ME) was the deciding vote to move it out of the Senate Committee. She knew Reid would use tricks to move the vote to a simple majority in the end, which he did.

We lost ObamaCare when Romney lost the election, and we lost Senate seats.

We lost ObamaCare when Judas Roberts changed his vote (for God knows what reason).

Our only hope is to win back the Senate and override Obama's veto, or win back the White House and convince enough Democrats to vote with Republicans for a true repeal.

The House has voted 40 times (literally) to repeal ObamaCare. The CR attempt is 41, and I don't think 41 is the charm.

Then the house should reject what the senate sends back to them and instead begin sending clean bills to fund each essential department one at a time, with none of them having funds for obamacare, and those departments charged with implementing obamacare funded last, ie, HHS, IRS, etc., and cut those by a sufficient amount that they cannot possibly implement it. If the House does not fund it, it cannot be funded and the senate can pound sand. If it takes all year, that’s fine.

Jim - I would love to see that happen, and you know how much I respect you. But there simply isn't the political will to do that (especially from the majority of Republicans in either the House or Senate). At the most, 30-40 House Tea Party members would even go there. And while the House can pass measures to continue to fund debt payments and Entitlements, the prioritization of payments cannot be forced on either the Senate or the White House. There is our fundamental problem again.

All Obama and the Democrats have to do is threaten to delay Social Security checks for a few days or weeks, and all hell will break loose.

He has done it before.

The media will blame the GOP, and the GOP will panic.

ObamaCare is evil. It will accelerate the ruin of this nation. It isn't about Health Care, it is about Control.

But GOP pols talking tough on Hannity's show are all bluster. I know the political reality with this one, and I am tired of being lied to.

1,256 posted on 09/24/2013 5:53:58 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Why the hell don’t you just go wave your damned surrender flag somewhere else?

This is FR! We fight for freedom here!

Don’t like it? Get LOST!!


1,261 posted on 09/24/2013 5:56:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SkyPilot
Then beat it, and leave the forum to those that are willing to fight.

Whether you want to admit it or not, Cruz tonight has brought more pressure to bear on the GOP than all your long-winded pontificating. He is generating political will within the party and within the grass roots. Something your whining has never done.

Can't never could, and you lose 100% of the battles you don't fight.

Sod off.

/johnny

1,266 posted on 09/24/2013 5:58:18 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SkyPilot

Too bad you don’t understand how clueless you sound. Kinda’ funny, really.


1,269 posted on 09/24/2013 5:59:14 PM PDT by Helen
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To: SkyPilot

Obammy is Such a pussy!


1,271 posted on 09/24/2013 5:59:29 PM PDT by MagUSNRET
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To: SkyPilot

It’s not entirely within the House’s power to repeal, but it is entirely within their power—and enumerated Constitutional responsibility—not to fund a monstrosity such as Obamacare.

Yeah, some of the entitlements make stopping funding on some of it difficult, but there’s no good reason for a GOP-controlled House to keep funding that which they can stop.

The GOPe fatuously claims that they can’t win the PR war while doing so even though Obamacare is incredibly unpopular—so they don’t even try.

At least Cruz and his ilk are trying.


1,321 posted on 09/24/2013 6:11:52 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SkyPilot

Allow me to summarize your posts in one word.
“Wahhhhhh”


1,336 posted on 09/24/2013 6:14:05 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: SkyPilot
Our only hope is to win back the Senate and override Obama’s veto, or win back the White House and convince enough Democrats to vote with Republicans for a true repeal.

Constitutionally speaking, that is not our only hope. The demo rats, now, their hope is that we believe that is our only hope.

They know better, thus they seek total control. But, they can not control a free people.

They demo rats will lose this fight. One way or another. Guaranteed

1,397 posted on 09/24/2013 6:24:45 PM PDT by KittenClaws ( You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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