This is all philosophical.
I have yet to hear a coherent theory for how the Republicans, a minority in the US Senate will get the House bill that includes defunding of Obamacare passed by the Senate, and how they will overcome an Obama veto.
Anyone?
Of course, Obama will not sign a bill that defunds Obamacare.
However, keeping the pressure on could get result in a negotiated year delay in the individual mandate and the exchanges, buying time. I’d take it for a start.
They went into this without coming up with a victory plan. It’s obvious both the republicans are just going day to day without any long term strategy. Cruz and company are playing checkers while the democrats are two steps ahead with chess. Any plausible result looks bad for pubs. Result one, they vote for clouture on the house bill, at which point Reid strikes the defund language on a vote that cannot be filibustered so 51 dems are all that is needed and a clean CR heads back to the house. Where pubs now have to decide how to vote on a clean CR and then how to convince independent and low information voters that they are not for a gov. shutdown.
or the Senate can filibuster the house bill. And to independents and low information voters it looks like the repubs are filibustering the bill that the house repubs passed.
or the worst option is there is no real coherent decision in the republican party in the senate on how to vote and the party is split. Enjoy the civil war that breaks out after that.
i know I am Debbie Downer-ing the place up, thanks for letting me rant, im just so tired of republicans rushing to fight without figuring out where the victory lies.
“This is all philosophical.
I have yet to hear a coherent theory for how the Republicans, a minority in the US Senate will get the House bill that includes defunding of Obamacare passed by the Senate, and how they will overcome an Obama veto.
Anyone?”
Actually, it would be rather easy if the House GOP had a spine. If the Senate returns a bill to the House with Obamacare funding restored, simply refuse to take it up and pass a series of smaller bills funding specific pieces of the government — starting with the military. Send these bills over to the Senate and dare Dingy Harry to be the one to refuse funding for the military and other core functions.
What many people fail to understand is that the all spending originates in the House and they have all the power in this debate. The only thing stopping the strategy from being successful is the House GOP’s refusal to use the power the founders gave them.
And BTW — this defunding strategy is by no means unprecedented. The Dems used it in 2007 to kill the 700 mile border fence, which was passed in 2006 by the GOP-controlled House. The Dems simply refused to fund it when they got the House back, and our side did nothing about it. As a matter of fact, like Obamacare, that 700 mile fence is the LAW OF THE LAND. But it is not reality because the GOP, even though they have controlled Congress since 2011, have not restored funding for it.
Bottom line — defunding has worked in the past, and it can work here. It just requires a party with a spine.
If obama vetos the defunded CR — He literally shuts the government down himself. If he does that to save this crappy communist grab of the health industry — he will be blamed!!
It’s called the filibuster, The Soul of the Senate. It starts there. One person stands up and makes the country fully aware of what is going on here by taking control of the debate and doing so until he can’t stand or speak any longer.
It’s a wonder that no one did that before it was rammed through, but just the same the fact is the democrats controlled things for two years and rammed an illegal improper bill without one supporting republican.
Then comes ground swell support by every true American, true in the sense that they do not want this country high jacked, and they let their representatives and senators hear from them.
The filibuster will ask, “why?” Why are there exemptions for unions, Congress and a variety of companies and organizations who sponsored Obama’s reelection? Tell us “why” and extension for business but not the individual?
If someone like Ted Cruz fails, and the bill is passed in the senate stripped of the defunding, then it goes back to the House, AND THE HOUSE TAKES A STAND AND THE GOVERNMENT SHUTS DOWN unless Obamacare is defunded.
A lot of people have posted here that the government shutting down is not going to shut down hardly anything. We need a catharsis, we need cleaning house for the waste out there.
Anyway, I hope that answers your question.
Oh one more thing, lisen to Mark Levin’s powerful monologue on this. It will give you some real time excitement for what is about to unfold here.