[Jim Noble]

So why does adhering to debt limit and forcing reductions cause a collapse?

Because the money's not real.

[DaveA37]

Odumbo needs to go golfing so the rest of us can get on with the problems America faces. All he does is contribute to the problems. He needs a permanent unpaid “vacation” without the benefits.

[imardmd1]

But the continual devaluing of our money over a period of a century (the instituting of income tax) is real and ever increasing.

Those who earned it are impoverished (through instituting income taxation--1913) by those who wish to be enriched by permanently "borrowing" it.

This is enslaving our children by mortgaging their past (stealing from the elderly) for us to consume in the present