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To: nikos1121

i recall in August both Levin and Paul appeared separately on Cavuto and Neil doing his job (why I like him) kept asking them exactly how they would get Reid to pass a defund bill and then Obama to sign it (as Ocare funding is exempt from a shutdown).

Under pressure they both admitted that those wont really happen, and I recall Paul said it could force them to accept a one year delay instead.

We will see.


31 posted on 09/19/2013 9:47:16 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

I can think of alot of positives if the conservatives stick together.

Right now people are not feeling the effects of Obamacare. I think we’re at 53% or 58% want it repealed. Let the general public feel the ill effects of this. Preferably around this time next year. Then what? They’ll remember who had a plan.

Then, like Paul, Cruz, Lee even Rubio predict the population will rise up.

For now, it is not fair that Obamacare is selectively being inforced and not allowed for business and unions, and congress etc.

Also, I like to get people on record here. The bill will defund Obamacare while not shutting down the gov’t, in fact without Obamacare I would think you will not need to reduce spending much.


32 posted on 09/19/2013 1:21:45 PM PDT by nikos1121 (“To err is human; to forgive, divine.” Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet)
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To: sickoflibs
as Ocare funding is exempt from a shutdown

Only the mandatory part of Ocare escapes the lack of a passed and signed CR.

But Eric Erickson of RedState claims the mandatory part of ObamaCare's budget has mostly been spent already:

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service (CRS), the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the IRS, “will incur substantial administrative costs to implement the law’s private insurance reforms and its changes to the federal health care programs.”  And while Obamacare provided $1 billion in mandatory implementation funding when it was enacted, HHS projects that this is largely spent.  According to CRS, Obamacare “administrative costs will have to be funded through the annual discretionary appropriations.”  Furthermore, annual appropriations bills routinely carry funding limitations to block all sorts of activities (for example, the Hyde Amendment), as well make changes to mandatory spending.  These latter provisions are called “changes in mandatory program spending” (CHIMPS).  Even if these riders were not so common-place, the stakes of so many provisions of Obamacare scheduled to take effect would present grounds for an exception.

Obama vetoing (or Dingy Harry blocking) a CR that defunded both mandatory and discretionary spending on ObamaCare would have the effect of stopping discretionary spending on the program while leaving in place the (mostly non-existent, if RedState is correct) mandatory spending.

What's not to like?

Let Zero's legacy twist in the wind until early 2017. Then kill it!

50 posted on 09/20/2013 12:39:10 AM PDT by cynwoody
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