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The Robert Taft Republicans Return
WSJ ^ | September 3, 2013 | Bret Stephens

Posted on 09/04/2013 9:52:20 AM PDT by nuconvert

The Robert Taft Republicans Return - Isolationism has never served the interests of America, or the GOP.

'We'll be lucky to get 80 Republicans out of 230." That's an astute GOP congressman's best guess for how his caucus now stands on the vote to authorize military force against Syria.

At town hall meetings in their districts, the congressman reports, House Republicans are hearing "an isolationist message." It's not America's war. The evidence that the Assad regime used chemical weapons is ambiguous, maybe cooked. There isn't a compelling national interest to intervene. "Let Allah sort it out." We'd be coming in on the side of al Qaeda. The strike serves symbolic, not strategic, purposes. There's no endgame. It would be another Iraq.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bretstephens; chickenhawk; isolationism; isolationists; neocon; neoconhysteria; republicans; roberttaft; syria
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To: fortheDeclaration

Only by the new world order types that are so concerned about what’s good for America.


21 posted on 09/04/2013 10:04:59 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: nuconvert
'Isolationism' as it had been traditionally defined ceased to exist on July 16th, 1945, due to events that occurred at the White Sands Proving Grounds in the NM desert on that day.

With that said, we have no compelling national interest for involvement in the Syrian civil war. Since both sides are wearing black hats, let them bleed each other, and as a wise housewife from Wasilla, AK said recently, 'let Allah sort 'em out'.

22 posted on 09/04/2013 10:05:40 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: marron

Hussein was an imperialist aggressor He took over a foreign country. Just invaded it and took it over.

The UN Nd the Vatican are against this proposal as they were not against the Iraq thing

If that had been Bo’s instead of Bush’s there would have been ceremonious, celebratory approval and if this were Bush there’d be arrests and official and appeopriate impeachment charges

This is different


23 posted on 09/04/2013 10:06:11 AM PDT by stanne
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To: nuconvert

Right. Arthur Vandenburg was sooooo enlightened!


24 posted on 09/04/2013 10:06:31 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: nuconvert

80 is all they need probably

The RINO-Dem Coalition will eke out another “victory”


25 posted on 09/04/2013 10:07:07 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: nuconvert

ACTUALLY IT was a very well written article and presented the alternative point very well...hardly a Pro Obama piece.
Maybe reading the article would help gain perspective on it.


26 posted on 09/04/2013 10:07:41 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: nuconvert

Many of us in the opposition are not isolationists. We are simply against an intervention that would help Al Qaida, the greater evil, when there is no proof that the Syrian government, the lesser evil, did the gassing. As for helping the Free Syrian Army, our efforts to help them are likely to end-up like our efforts to help the South Vietnam, Cambodia, and Afghanistan.


27 posted on 09/04/2013 10:08:17 AM PDT by Socon-Econ
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To: Thane_Banquo

I wonder what would have happened if the US had never entered WWI?

WWII we HAD to enter, since both Germany and Japan declared war on the US.

Regarding Syria, “isolationist” does not apply. This is a civil war. It really is NONE of our business. The moral outrage on the TYPES of weapons used to kill people is so cute. It is also laughable.


28 posted on 09/04/2013 10:08:25 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Corporate America always want globalism and dicarding Patriotism. Any sentiment that opposes it threatens their unabash ability to make money even if it creates problems that are dumped on the US taxpayer. Syria is a test of power as Americans sick of cost and blood for an American empire vs the corporation/sociopaths who want Empire America so they can enrich themselves.


29 posted on 09/04/2013 10:08:44 AM PDT by Fee
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To: wideawake

Good post. Very few people who respond to an article title have actually read the article.


30 posted on 09/04/2013 10:08:46 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: livius
The WSJ IS NOT a conservative newspaper, they are a Crony Capitalist Rag! War is great for business, always is. Those $200 million in missals that they will pop off will have to be replaced at the cost of $300 million and the WSJ Cronies are standing in line to replace them.

The fact is that we have NO interest in Syria except for the idea that all sides in the conflict inflict as many deaths to each other as possible. Best case scenario is that all but one guy is left in the country and he dies from the flue.

31 posted on 09/04/2013 10:08:53 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: nuconvert

We are NOT isolationist... show us a Constitutional need for WAR... a real threat against us or our staunch allies... or if we are attacked... we want to declare war... totally destroy our enemies and then come home... no mercy, no quarter and no nation building... and even NUKES if needed... we no longer want to fight for our enemies or try to bring civilization to satan’s people. Savvy leftards?????


32 posted on 09/04/2013 10:09:05 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: marron

I think Cruz summed it up best when he said we would become Al Qaeda’s air force.


33 posted on 09/04/2013 10:09:24 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Salgak

I know, it is not isolationist to not want to jump into someone’s civil war

People throw words around and others don’t define their terms


34 posted on 09/04/2013 10:09:26 AM PDT by stanne
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To: nuconvert
Robert Taft > Madeleine Albright

"Isolationism" served our nation very well. It made us the strongest and most free nation on earth.

35 posted on 09/04/2013 10:09:26 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Socon-Econ

and that is because we never FINISH a war like we did with WWII...we “leave and call it peace.”—Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq...etc.


36 posted on 09/04/2013 10:10:30 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: nuconvert

Given the size of our national debt and the fact that we already effectively bankrupt-—I don’t know what the debate is all about-—isolationism versus internationalism-—we have no choices IMHO. We’re flat broke. Close to bankrupt.

To hell with Middle East. Let’s develop our own plentiful resources. Maybe we could put some people back to work in decent paying jobs and retire some of our massive debt in the process.


37 posted on 09/04/2013 10:10:34 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: 1rudeboy

Yeah, I miss those days. No electricity, or running water . . . and if you need to get somewhere you rode a horse.


Me too. When men were men, women were scarce, and sheep were nervous.


38 posted on 09/04/2013 10:10:34 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: nuconvert

As a proud Bob Taft conservative, I’d be happy to use our power in our national interest, but we have none here.


39 posted on 09/04/2013 10:11:26 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: cuban leaf

Yeah, I miss those days. No electricity, or running water . . . and if you need to get somewhere you rode a horse.


Me too. When men were men, women were scarce, and sheep were nervous.

..........and every real man owned a six shooter and a raging case of syphilis!


40 posted on 09/04/2013 10:12:24 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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