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To: PieterCasparzen

“Unfortunately, the US government, over a century ago, fell under the virtual complete control of the Anglo-American financial oligarchs, better known as new world order. That article even leaves out what NWO does not want revealed, which is that muslim terrorism is the creation of Western intelligence at the behest of NWO.”


The NWO fantasy is largely promoted by Russia itself, with its helpers in men like Alex Jones and others. It’s pure projection of their own guilt and actions. In fact, world terrorism is largely a creation of Moscow, with many of the world’s top terrorists and leaders being directed from the Kremlin. Even Al’Zawahiri, Al’Qaeda’s number two (now number one), was alleged by men like Alexander Litvinenko (now deceased) with having been trained by the FSB.

All I see in the middle east, then, is a continuation of the cold war which never ended, since we failed to bring to justice the killers of the “former” Soviet Union who are given a place of honor in that corrupt country. I am forced with all my sense of reason to oppose anything that benefits Russia’s long term strategy, and benefits American survival.


52 posted on 09/03/2013 2:31:17 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: PieterCasparzen

Confused sentence fix: *and to support with all my might that which benefits American survival.”

To replace: “and benefits American survival.”


54 posted on 09/03/2013 2:36:08 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
The NWO fantasy is largely promoted by Russia itself,

The USSR/KGB could not fabricate an NWO "fantasy" that is based on facts of history that happened during the 1800's and earlier.

Regarding Yale Skull and Bones, it's membership could only be guessed at until fairly recently, when the daughter of a member made public some membership lists she had inherited. The actual Skull and Bones official membership book is certainly not a fantasy, it's official records of the organization.

The fact that FDR's grandfather, Warren Delano, was in opium trade is not a fantasy but a historical fact, that again, Russia and the KGB would have no control over.

with its helpers in men like Alex Jones and others.

Again, European elite finance was widely "not liked" in America in the 1800's, long before Alex Jones was born. August Belmont was a known representative of Rothschild interests in the US - this is historical fact. What has recently come out - as a historical fact - is that George Peabody, arguably the most powerful banker of his day, was also financed by the Rothschilds. George Peabody was referred to by Queen Victoria as "my favorite American" (historical fact) and there is a statue of George in the UK (once again - fact). Yet during his lifetime, Peabody was not widely known to be "fronting" for the British banking interests.

Other facts, like what businesses were at 120 Broadway in Manhattan during the Bolshevik Revolution, and actual corporate records of those businesses, etc., are certainly not fantasy. The records of facilities of Western companies like Ford inside the USSR are not fantasy either; they're just never mentioned in the media or in schools.

Key events from which it's not too difficult to draw some general yet inescapable conclusions from were reported in the New York Times around the time of WWI, such as President Wilson lauding the Bolshevik Revolution, and a group of Wall Street financiers travelling to Russia during the Revolution masquerading as a Red Cross mission. There are historical records of a long trail of Wall Street trade and investment in the USSR from 1917, through the 5-year plans of Stalin, through WWII - right up to the present day. Again, this comes from historical record, and it does not help to perpetuate the myth of communism being "against" capitalism. Why would communists want it revealed that they were not "for the proletariat" - but they were in fact functioning as overlords for the entire nation of Russia on behalf of monopolist capitalists ?

Communists nowhere ever publicly claim or admit to being fronts for capitalism - not even in America.

And yet - Armand Hammer was a billionaire capitalist of Occidental Petroleum who did extensive business for the bulk of the 20th century with the USSR - and his father Julius was a founder of the Communist Party USA. The schools and media of America simply neglect to mention things like this - ever.

So for communists and / or the current Russian regime, the more NWO is believed by people, the more the entire 20th century for Russia - and all of communism around the world - is seen as a big lie, where monopolists simply have a captive state and a captive market. While hopefully someday a Russian government will admit that the USSR was a creature of new world order, I don't think they're quite ready yet. Certainly the American government and elites are not ready to admit anything yet.

Antony Sutton (Stanford University) has done extensive research of source documents and found out many facts that are just too difficult for many to accept, but they're facts.

Here is an excellent video interview:

The Best Enemies Money Can Buy -- Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany.
57 posted on 09/03/2013 3:22:48 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
I am forced with all my sense of reason to oppose anything that benefits Russia’s long term strategy, and benefits American survival.

The fact that you hate America's survival is coming through loud and clear. Until and unless you can get another of your al qaeda cohorts in here to help you triangulate on the opposition to aiding the terrorists - delphi technique - you're SOL.

61 posted on 09/03/2013 3:56:09 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Russia and America are in the same boat. Despite your eagerness to oppose anything that benefits Russia’s long term strategy, it would be unwise to sink the boat and destroy America as well just to spite Russia.

If current demographic trends continue, the number of Sunni Muslims will soon outnumber Protestants, Catholics, and Eastern Orthodox believers combined. They’re out-breeding us. If the Lord tarries, the Sunnis can take over Europe within 2 to 3 decades simply by having more kids than the native non-Muslim population.

Since the Sunnis are the majority sect (over 85% of Muslims globally), the Shiites (less than 15%) can’t counterbalance that for long. The Sunnis and the Shiites are both evil, at this point the Sunnis are more dangerous because there are more of them. If Assad falls, the Muslim Brotherhood (Sunnis) will take over Syria, and then the disparity of power between the Sunni and Shiite sects will become more apparent.

Once the Sunnis out-breeds the native populations of UK and France and takes over the government of those two countries (give them 2 or 3 decades), it gains access to their nuclear stockpile. When combined with the nukes they already have in Pakistan, if the Sunnis (led by Turkey most probably) choose to re-establish the Caliphate at that time and declare jihad on the entire non-Muslim world, it will be devastating. Unlike the West that is plagued by the Left and by political correctness, the Muslims will have no hesitation using the nukes they acquired on the cities of the infidels.

A global Sunni Islamic government benefits neither America nor Russia, nor any other non-Islamic country.


76 posted on 09/03/2013 8:46:32 AM PDT by istandwithsarah (Game on!)
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