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To: P-Marlowe; Jim Robinson; Tennessee Nana; BuckeyeTexan
Quibbling? LOL, had we the people quibbled over the illegitimacy of little barry bastard boy in 2008, PERHAPS we would not be facing the final stages of our Republic collapsing.

The essence of our current calamity is that the Constitution has been set aside so often now that even directions for whom may be eligible for the office of president is purely utilitarian. IF Ted Cruz is about to be the republicants' nominee, the left will do what it has always done so successfully, it will seek to hold us to the purest application of a document that is already in a sad state of abrogation. The democrips never let honesty, truth, honor, or legitimacy stand in their way, they just use those things as bludgeons and never stand by same.

Do you think the arguments so far presented trying to twist the meaning of the Constitution to accommodate Cruz can stand up to the media onslaught? I don't. And therein is the rub. I don't care now, because the Constitution is no longer setting the standard for the rule of law.

Democrips and Republicants alike have abrogated their oaths and passed and enforced legislation which contradicts the Constitution. Roe v Wade is a glaring example of the so called supreme Court doing likewise.

We are at the end of days of what was a Constitutional Republic. Whether Cruz is Constitutionally eligible or not is not the issue facing us, though that is what we are being whipped into a frenzy to focus upon. I personally do not believe Ted Cruz fits the meaning as the founders held it for natural born citizen. And it doesn't matter now, anyway!

As you point out, we the people are fighting for our continued existence as a free people, well, comparatively free. We have been made into indentured servants (tax slaves by another name) to a world-wide financial oligarchy which has placed into office several presidents who have furthered the oligarch's goals. The nation's economy is collapsing around us yet we are arguing whether Cruz is an NBC. What will Cruz do to turn the ship around, THAT is what we should be discussing.

I can hope that we the people have Ted Cruz's ear on issues vital to our national survival. But do we? I don't care if Cruz is not an NBC, if he has the proper focus, to return the rule of Law and turn the debt plummet around, then he is the man I will support for the office. If we spend all our time on debating the purity of his eligibility, we will lose any initiative we currently hold regarding the outrage of the people.

When I ask the same question over and over, the one which Jim responded to, I am seeking to put the issue into the distant past, first. THEN it becomes time to expose our dire situation in all the gory details, so we see which is in fact the issue which will direct our voting. It sure as heck better not be whether Ted Cruz is an NBC.

In that regard, Jim's approach may be powerful; 'it seems some of the founders would have considered Cruz eligible'. And that is as far as we need go. Let the testy play at word games. We are a dying Constitutional Republic. Unless we stop the bleeding we will not get the chance to re-establish another viable Constitutional Republic.

576 posted on 09/01/2013 12:22:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN; Jim Robinson; xzins

When I read some of the posts of some of these (for lack of a better word) “birthers”, I get very discouraged and I frankly believe that we really lack the political will to mount a campaign to save this Republic and restore our Constitution. If we, on Free Republic of all places, are going to quibble over whether we will allow a patriot like Ted Cruz to become president based on three archaic words that are subject to reasonable interpretive differences, then we might as well pack it in right now and let Chris Christie take the nomination and give us the defeat at the polls that we so richly deserve.


602 posted on 09/01/2013 2:20:02 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: MHGinTN; P-Marlowe; Jim Robinson; Tennessee Nana; Lakeshark

Powerful words and a painfully accurate assessment of our dire situation.

I’ve thought a lot about this since Lakeshark posted his proposal that we temporarily set aside arguments about Cruz’s eligibility. I have always been of the opinion that statutory citizenship is, in and of itself, an act of naturalization by Congress. The fact that Congress can revoke statutory citizenship at will but cannot do so to 14th Amendment citizens further confirms my opinion. So I would be a hypocrite if I said that I believe, without a doubt, that Cruz is eligible. I doubt I will change my opinion anytime soon. It took five years of research to develop it; so a few days of debate on FR isn’t going to reverse it.

With that said, I will still support and vote for Cruz if he runs, provided that he stays the course he is on now. If he pulls a Rubio, then all bets are off.

We are indeed in a fight for our remaining liberties. We have a choice to make. We can take our constitutionally eligible ball and go home or we can follow in the footsteps of our Founding Fathers and fight like hell to win any way we can.


675 posted on 09/01/2013 7:38:36 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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