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To: Diego1618

Even the Supreme Court has used the terms native born and natural born interchangeably. That’s because they ARE interchangeable and synonymous.

Schneider v. Rusk (1964):

“We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the ‘ natural born’ citizen is eligible to be President. Art. II, s 1.”


569 posted on 09/01/2013 11:33:28 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus
Even the Supreme Court has used the terms native born and natural born interchangeably. That’s because they ARE interchangeable and synonymous.

No they haven't....and no they aren't!

“We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the ‘ natural born’ citizen is eligible to be President. Art. II, s 1.”

The "Native Born" is being compared to the "Naturalized Person".......not the "Natural Born". You need to read this again....more slowly.........

Three types; Natural Born; Native Born; Naturalized!

Like I said somewhere earlier........."Most folks cannot differentiate between Natural Born and Native Born. To them....it's all the same."

Well.......it's not!

574 posted on 09/01/2013 11:55:08 AM PDT by Diego1618 (Put "Ron" on the Rock!)
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To: Nero Germanicus
Even the Supreme Court has used the terms native born and natural born interchangeably. That’s because they ARE interchangeable and synonymous.

They WERE interchangeable and synonymous. Over time, the meanings diverged. The meaning of the word "native" has undergone a transformation from what it meant back in 1787.

Schneider v. Rusk (1964):

“We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the ‘ natural born’ citizen is eligible to be President. Art. II, s 1.”

This is a modern meaning which has been crippled by the incorrectly expanded precedent of Wong Kim Ark. Before people's misunderstanding of Wong Kim Ark became common place in most legal minds, the meaning of the word "native" was very clearly synonymous with "natural born."

WAITE, C.J., Opinion of the Court

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

88 U.S. 162
Minor v. Happersett
Argued: February 9, 1875 --- Decided: March 29, 1875

The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. (Bye Bye 14th Amendment!) At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

As you can see from the superior authority I cited, the word "native" did not mean what you take it to mean nowadays. Modern Usage of the word has simply been transformed from it's original meaning.

598 posted on 09/01/2013 2:11:09 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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