[Ramius]

I agree with nearly all of this. It does appear that the tipping point has been passed. As long as the takers were less than 50% of the voters we had some hope of turning around. But now it sure looks like the tragic 51% has been crossed and from here on out there is no way to fix it. The only way out now is through the crash and whatever dark age comes after.

A couple hundred years from now there will probably be a new and fantastic renaissance.

[musicman]

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[ansel12]

I agree with nearly all of this. It does appear that the tipping point has been passed. As long as the takers were less than 50% of the voters we had some hope of turning around. But now it sure looks like the tragic 51% has been crossed and from here on out there is no way to fix it.

How are you defining 51% of Americans as takers? What is on your list of takers?