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To: bgill; Constitution 123; WildHighlander57; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Brown Deer; null and void; Vendome
'the birth certificate says she is Mrs. Wilson, not Mrs. Cruz"

No it most certainly does NOT. The BC asks for "Name of Mother Before Marriage" and no where on there does it say she is a single mother.

You are correct. My mistake. I had difficulty reading the fine print on the copy BD sent me.

Point of Wilson is that no divorce from Wilson was found.

Secondary point is that given the numerous variations in the citizenship statutes, in order to determine the route to citizenship for a specific child born outside the US, you needed significantly more information that just knowing the mother and father and their citizenship status.

I suspect that Cruz and his counsel have exercised all the permutations and have support for his fairly strong public position that he was a citizen at birth. I keep seeing these statements and decided to respond to Big Ed and Constitution's posts to see if we could figure out how strong their position on this point really is.

One essential element of that discussion is that there is a fairly strong consensus in the Con Law bar that the basic mother citizen statue is Unconstitutional, violating the equal protection clause, for the reason that the child of a US Citizen father and non-Citizen mother does not have an equal path to citizenship.

If I were going to rely on that clause, I would try to get Congress to retroactively amend the statute to make children of fathers citizens under the same circumstances. The objection to doing so historically was the issue of proving the man was actually the father; in the modern world, we have a better scientific answer.

Looking at the historical data of prior marriages of the parents and other issues, it is no longer so clear to me which provision Cruz relies on for his assertion of citizenship at birth which was my real objective in looking at the issue in the first place.

305 posted on 08/28/2013 7:41:26 AM PDT by David
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To: David
""""I suspect that Cruz and his counsel have exercised all the permutations and have support for his fairly strong public position that he was a citizen at birth"""""

I guess I am a little slow but I fail to see the logic of your post as it relates to presidential eligibility.

Assuming that we stipulate for the sake of this conversation that Cruz was/is in fact a citizen at birth.

He has never proclaimed except by weak insinuation that he was/is a Natural Born Citizen.

If that is his position, he should say so. I have yet to hear the words "Natural Born Citizen" come out of his mouth.

Have you?

309 posted on 08/28/2013 8:56:36 AM PDT by Constitution 123 (Knowledge is power but to some, ignorance is bliss.)
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To: David

I don’t think Cruz is so stupid to run. More likely he plan is to bring hussein’s ineligiblity to the headlines where CNNABCCBSNBC can’t sweep it under the rug anymore.


310 posted on 08/28/2013 8:59:06 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: David; null and void; LucyT; BigEdLB

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3059031/posts?page=295#295

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3059031/posts?page=305#305

...Point of Wilson is that no divorce from Wilson was found. ...”

Two points to consider:

A)There didn’t have to be a divorce of Eleanor and a guy named Wilson for her name to be Wilson.

Did Eleanor’s mom remarry?

Did Eleanor’s name change from Darragh to Wilson as a result of that?

B) in addition to the Texas statute presuming the husband is the father, there was (and still is) common law marriage in Texas.

So there doesn’t necessarily have to be anything on record in a county in Texas .

Situation in B) could be true for Darragh to Wilson and Wilson to Cruz.


326 posted on 05/24/2015 2:33:54 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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