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To: xzins; rxsid

Xzins, I’ve read the postings of historical precedent on eligibility since 2008.

The inescapable conclusion is that Cruz is not a natural born citizen.

People can cherry pick bits and pieces, but the heavy lifters who did the massive and lengthy research, such as rxsid, proved beyond a doubt, that a NBC meant at the time of the writing of the Constitution and for almost 2 centuries after, a person born on the soil of the US with two citizen parents. There are others besides rxsid but he was one of the researchers.

It’s not even arguable. Cruz was born in Canada and lived there for 4 years, and was even a dual citizen, and his fater was a Cuban national.

If you want to believe itthat Cruz is a NBC because he is a good guy, then the precedent set by 0bastard’s ineligibility has now trashed the Constituiton even more, by good people who should know better. I’m sorry if I sound harsh - you are a wonderful person and freeper - but since I read absolutely obsessively about the eligibility issue since summer 2008 - and I mean obsessively - nothing could change my understanding, no matter what quotes are found by cherry picking. The founders knew what Natural Born Citizen meant and it was not equivalent to “citizen” or “native citizen”. That is why ONLY the President and Vice President had to be NBC. It was a specific kind of citizen designed to prevent the kind of president are suffering under right now.

If people think Cruz is a NBC, then so are millions of anchor babies or children born overseas to a foreigner and one US citizen parent and brought here later in life. Four years? Fourteen? Forty? The freaking sky’s the limit.

Putin or Kim Jung Il or any other person could find some US citizen female, bring her to their country, impregnate her, raise the kid, and the bring him back to the US years later, and the kid could be president. No different from the Cruz situation other than that people like Cruz.

The rule of law is so broken in this country that some people are clinging to the idea of Cruz being an NBC as though that will save us. What will save us is not one person, but following the rule of law, and bringing our country under the jurisdiction of the Constitution, not thinking “well, the commies twisted the Constitution, let’s us twist it for a good guy.”


99 posted on 08/21/2013 12:55:38 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah; xzins; rxsid
People can cherry pick bits and pieces, but the heavy lifters who did the massive and lengthy research, such as rxsid, proved beyond a doubt, that a NBC meant at the time of the writing of the Constitution and for almost 2 centuries after, a person born on the soil of the US with two citizen parents. There are others besides rxsid but he was one of the researchers.

There STILL is no legal, constitutional support for your position. You have opinions, given by respectable historians and experts, but no legal, constitutional basis for that position.

As such, if you exclude the proof xzins provided, you leave yourself open to charges of cherry-picking bits and pieces as well.
101 posted on 08/21/2013 1:10:35 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: little jeremiah; Jeff Winston; Jim Robinson; P-Marlowe; Lakeshark

I disagree.

I am not cherry-picking anything. The use of the term “natural born citizen” is preserved in the Naturalization Act of 1790 and again we see it in the writings of James Bayard in 1833, James being the son of an original US Senator known as the High Priest of the Constition, and the Grandson of one of the signatories to the US Constitution.

George Washington signed the 1790 act, Congress wrote that act, and no one EVER disputed their use of the term “natural born citizen.”

So, right now the Major Media has us trying to destroy Ted Cruz with the presidential election more than 3 years away. We have an intervening national election in 2014 in which he could be a huge benefit to many in districts across the nation. He is trying to lead the charge in Congress to defund ObamaCare. He could some day run for Governor, run again for the Senate, or even be a Supreme Court justice. His credentials are out of sight.

And we’re busy tearing him down over something that hasn’t even happened yet and won’t happen for years.

I think conservatives are stupid. In the Stupid Party that’s pretty bad.

He’s one of the few trying to lead against ObamaCare and the Mainstream Media has us destroying any momentum he might gain by having us talking about something years in the future.


108 posted on 08/21/2013 5:40:15 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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